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  3. THE BIG TECH RESISTANCE ✊Alongside 7 other Nordic countries, the Danish government has just signed a “manifesto” calling for resistance against Big Tech (heavily motivated by worries over children’s welfare)

THE BIG TECH RESISTANCE ✊Alongside 7 other Nordic countries, the Danish government has just signed a “manifesto” calling for resistance against Big Tech (heavily motivated by worries over children’s welfare)

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  • jonassmith@mstdn.dkJ jonassmith@mstdn.dk

    THE BIG TECH RESISTANCE ✊
    Alongside 7 other Nordic countries, the Danish government has just signed a “manifesto” calling for resistance against Big Tech (heavily motivated by worries over children’s welfare).
    Digitalisation of Danish society has been like a rushed and mindless construction boom. Nothing wrong with “buildings”, but opportunistic frenzies leads to short-term solutions and asbestos in the walls. It’s high time for a rethink.

    We can argue about the details, but for the broad picture: Sign me up.

    📢 The Marienborg Manifesto: https://stm.dk/media/vdhjmmae/marienborg-manifest_engelsk.pdf

    #bigtech

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    #9

    @jonassmith this feels more like prep age verification and chat control N to me though... and if the big techs happily say "yes we will age check and scan messages!" will they consider them "regulated"?

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    • pythonlinks@mastodon.socialP pythonlinks@mastodon.social

      The 7 countries which signed the Marianborg Manifoesto.

      mark

      Greenland

      Faroe Islands

      Sweden

      Norway

      Finland

      Åland

      Iceland

      According to DeepSeek.
      @jonassmith

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      #10

      @PythonLinks @jonassmith governments, not countries. And 8, not 7. Though did you really have to use deepseek for that when they're *literally* at the top of the first page of the manifest?

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      • markiejiang@mastodon.socialM markiejiang@mastodon.social

        @jonassmith this feels more like prep age verification and chat control N to me though... and if the big techs happily say "yes we will age check and scan messages!" will they consider them "regulated"?

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        #11

        @markiejiang Let’s hope not

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        • markiejiang@mastodon.socialM markiejiang@mastodon.social

          @jonassmith this feels more like prep age verification and chat control N to me though... and if the big techs happily say "yes we will age check and scan messages!" will they consider them "regulated"?

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          @markiejiang @jonassmith No need for prep if this goes through: https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/19418-Child-online-safety-keeping-digital-spaces-accountable-and-trustworthy-EU-Kids-Act-_en

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          • anderslund@expressional.socialA anderslund@expressional.social

            @jonassmith
            I think that particular story shows that doing so requires a a lot - leadership, stamina, planning, patience, creativity. More than was put into it. And that it is embarrassing that they just gave up, instead of regrouping.

            In any case, it is good if the ambition survives unsuccessful attempts. 🙂

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            #13

            @anderslund I think a lot people wanted a project to exist which really didn’t. Anyway: I agree that these efforts need commitment. It’s a little bit like democracy in that regard.

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            • jonassmith@mstdn.dkJ jonassmith@mstdn.dk

              THE BIG TECH RESISTANCE ✊
              Alongside 7 other Nordic countries, the Danish government has just signed a “manifesto” calling for resistance against Big Tech (heavily motivated by worries over children’s welfare).
              Digitalisation of Danish society has been like a rushed and mindless construction boom. Nothing wrong with “buildings”, but opportunistic frenzies leads to short-term solutions and asbestos in the walls. It’s high time for a rethink.

              We can argue about the details, but for the broad picture: Sign me up.

              📢 The Marienborg Manifesto: https://stm.dk/media/vdhjmmae/marienborg-manifest_engelsk.pdf

              #bigtech

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              #14

              @jonassmith Nice 🙂
              I find it weird, that the climate is not mentioned at all (It is my greatest worry when it comes to tech and the future generations), but I suppose they wanted to focus on the mental health for this manifesto 🙂

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              • jonassmith@mstdn.dkJ jonassmith@mstdn.dk

                THE BIG TECH RESISTANCE ✊
                Alongside 7 other Nordic countries, the Danish government has just signed a “manifesto” calling for resistance against Big Tech (heavily motivated by worries over children’s welfare).
                Digitalisation of Danish society has been like a rushed and mindless construction boom. Nothing wrong with “buildings”, but opportunistic frenzies leads to short-term solutions and asbestos in the walls. It’s high time for a rethink.

                We can argue about the details, but for the broad picture: Sign me up.

                📢 The Marienborg Manifesto: https://stm.dk/media/vdhjmmae/marienborg-manifest_engelsk.pdf

                #bigtech

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                #15

                @jonassmith

                Sounds good to me,

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                • snue@radikal.socialS snue@radikal.social

                  @jonassmith Nice 🙂
                  I find it weird, that the climate is not mentioned at all (It is my greatest worry when it comes to tech and the future generations), but I suppose they wanted to focus on the mental health for this manifesto 🙂

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                  #16

                  @snue yeah, I suppose there’s room for more relevant manifestos

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                  • markiejiang@mastodon.socialM markiejiang@mastodon.social

                    @jonassmith this feels more like prep age verification and chat control N to me though... and if the big techs happily say "yes we will age check and scan messages!" will they consider them "regulated"?

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                    #17

                    @markiejiang @jonassmith Seems likely. They've identified some real problems, but the solutions they're going for are probably harmful. So the good reasons are being used to sell bad solutions, like how child safety is often used to sell awful solutions in general.

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                    • marcusxms@helvede.netM marcusxms@helvede.net

                      @markiejiang @jonassmith Seems likely. They've identified some real problems, but the solutions they're going for are probably harmful. So the good reasons are being used to sell bad solutions, like how child safety is often used to sell awful solutions in general.

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                      #18

                      @markiejiang @jonassmith But hey, I hope I'm wrong. But their focus on children alone instead of the general problem makes be think I'm not. The platforms can continue their awful practices, but must try to ensure children are not subjected to them, resulting in more data collection and less anonymity.

                      Also the things the platforms that doing that harm children most often harm adults as well. So the solutions should be general, not age-specific.

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