Training AI models on copyrighted works is "squarely what transformative use is," EFF’s Tori Noble told Reason - these are "general purpose tools" and "exactly the kind of creation that copyright is designed to foster.”
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@eff The irony here is that this is the same EFF that has worked to liberalize copyright law, this lawsuit being no different. Unpopular as AI training may be, I am a bit surprised to see the pushback to the EFF's actions (which honestly looks like a coordinated, corporate-backed effort to shore up support for copyright maximalism), but I get why taking a principled stand is unpopular since it necessarily entails defending unpopular positions occasionally. Even Techdirt defends the practice.
@eff And be warned, "stealing" in the context of copyright infringement is industry propaganda, as is "piracy".
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@eff The irony here is that this is the same EFF that has worked to liberalize copyright law, this lawsuit being no different. Unpopular as AI training may be, I am a bit surprised to see the pushback to the EFF's actions (which honestly looks like a coordinated, corporate-backed effort to shore up support for copyright maximalism), but I get why taking a principled stand is unpopular since it necessarily entails defending unpopular positions occasionally. Even Techdirt defends the practice.
@Big_Blue_Gnu @eff Um, no. Our rage is not corporate-backed and is not copyright-maximalism. The idea that AI training is wrong is copyright-minimalist. It doesn't even depend on copyright, just "moral rights" of authors.
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Training AI models on copyrighted works is "squarely what transformative use is," EFF’s Tori Noble told Reason - these are "general purpose tools" and "exactly the kind of creation that copyright is designed to foster.” https://reason.com/2026/09/04/doj-says-barring-ai-training-on-copyrighted-material-could-severely-hamper-tech-progress/
@eff very disappointing, EFF.
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@eff And be warned, "stealing" in the context of copyright infringement is industry propaganda, as is "piracy".
@Big_Blue_Gnu @eff I think people use the term "stealing" because AI is stealing their wages with the information it "learned" (stole) from them.
People are not defending copyright from human participants, but instead are pushing back on the very technology that took away the ability for them to learn and grow in the first place.
AI is an unfair game played by massive corporations, they are not paying their fair share to the real humans who made it, and instead are passing it off as their own (ie plagiarism).
I think a lot of the sentiment is about how AIs are effectively plagiarism because they steal the work without attribution and redistribute the accreditation of such work to the AI company.
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Training AI models on copyrighted works is "squarely what transformative use is," EFF’s Tori Noble told Reason - these are "general purpose tools" and "exactly the kind of creation that copyright is designed to foster.” https://reason.com/2026/09/04/doj-says-barring-ai-training-on-copyrighted-material-could-severely-hamper-tech-progress/
@eff I am increasingly feeling like D-Fens in the fast food restaurant asking „ Can anybody tell me what's wrong with this picture?“.
Can anybody explain to me why hip-hop artists and other musicians have been sued into the ground for ten second samples instead of being lauded for creative transformative use? -
Training AI models on copyrighted works is "squarely what transformative use is," EFF’s Tori Noble told Reason - these are "general purpose tools" and "exactly the kind of creation that copyright is designed to foster.” https://reason.com/2026/09/04/doj-says-barring-ai-training-on-copyrighted-material-could-severely-hamper-tech-progress/
@eff Well wont be donating to EFF any longer
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Training AI models on copyrighted works is "squarely what transformative use is," EFF’s Tori Noble told Reason - these are "general purpose tools" and "exactly the kind of creation that copyright is designed to foster.” https://reason.com/2026/09/04/doj-says-barring-ai-training-on-copyrighted-material-could-severely-hamper-tech-progress/
It's so cool to watch every institution I've trusted bend the knee and kiss the ring of pedophile techbro fascists, one right after the other.
Please consider the last donation that I sent to EFF to be the LAST donation that I send.
Effectively Fucking Finished.
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@eff i cant believe eff is defending this.
@lilyyllyyllyly @eff I guess I am cancelling my contributions... sigh
EFF has always been a bit too libertarian for my taste but giving this support in Reason of all places...
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Training AI models on copyrighted works is "squarely what transformative use is," EFF’s Tori Noble told Reason - these are "general purpose tools" and "exactly the kind of creation that copyright is designed to foster.” https://reason.com/2026/09/04/doj-says-barring-ai-training-on-copyrighted-material-could-severely-hamper-tech-progress/
@eff I've been donating monthly since 2017. You just lost my support.
https://supporters.eff.org/donate/recurring for anyone else that needs to cancel.
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Training AI models on copyrighted works is "squarely what transformative use is," EFF’s Tori Noble told Reason - these are "general purpose tools" and "exactly the kind of creation that copyright is designed to foster.” https://reason.com/2026/09/04/doj-says-barring-ai-training-on-copyrighted-material-could-severely-hamper-tech-progress/
@eff@mastodon.social bad take worstie
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Training AI models on copyrighted works is "squarely what transformative use is," EFF’s Tori Noble told Reason - these are "general purpose tools" and "exactly the kind of creation that copyright is designed to foster.” https://reason.com/2026/09/04/doj-says-barring-ai-training-on-copyrighted-material-could-severely-hamper-tech-progress/
@eff So... fuck the planet right? I mean, you're putting your support behind what's already causing massive amounts of pollution and political corruption (municipal up to executive) across the country.
I donated to you guys a long time ago. I wish I could get a refund all these years later.
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Training AI models on copyrighted works is "squarely what transformative use is," EFF’s Tori Noble told Reason - these are "general purpose tools" and "exactly the kind of creation that copyright is designed to foster.” https://reason.com/2026/09/04/doj-says-barring-ai-training-on-copyrighted-material-could-severely-hamper-tech-progress/
@eff Hello! Fuck you.
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Training AI models on copyrighted works is "squarely what transformative use is," EFF’s Tori Noble told Reason - these are "general purpose tools" and "exactly the kind of creation that copyright is designed to foster.” https://reason.com/2026/09/04/doj-says-barring-ai-training-on-copyrighted-material-could-severely-hamper-tech-progress/
@eff I didn't have "EFF being deeply corrupt in the stupidest way imaginable" on my bingo card
I hope that boot tastes good
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@eff Fuck. That. Shit.
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Training AI models on copyrighted works is "squarely what transformative use is," EFF’s Tori Noble told Reason - these are "general purpose tools" and "exactly the kind of creation that copyright is designed to foster.” https://reason.com/2026/09/04/doj-says-barring-ai-training-on-copyrighted-material-could-severely-hamper-tech-progress/
@eff@mastodon.social get fucked.
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Training AI models on copyrighted works is "squarely what transformative use is," EFF’s Tori Noble told Reason - these are "general purpose tools" and "exactly the kind of creation that copyright is designed to foster.” https://reason.com/2026/09/04/doj-says-barring-ai-training-on-copyrighted-material-could-severely-hamper-tech-progress/
@eff how about no.
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Training AI models on copyrighted works is "squarely what transformative use is," EFF’s Tori Noble told Reason - these are "general purpose tools" and "exactly the kind of creation that copyright is designed to foster.” https://reason.com/2026/09/04/doj-says-barring-ai-training-on-copyrighted-material-could-severely-hamper-tech-progress/
@eff wow. im giving yalls allotment to the internet archive from now on.
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@eff I've been donating monthly since 2017. You just lost my support.
https://supporters.eff.org/donate/recurring for anyone else that needs to cancel.
@fullywoolly @eff I think one really sad part about all this is the EFF still does good things... but they really need to stop this AI support right away!!
I don't know if people can ever fully trust an organization that supported AI ever again, but I think if they walk back this post and put out an official statement it would go a long way towards rebuilding that road.
Please EFF ... we need you... just not like this.
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Training AI models on copyrighted works is "squarely what transformative use is," EFF’s Tori Noble told Reason - these are "general purpose tools" and "exactly the kind of creation that copyright is designed to foster.” https://reason.com/2026/09/04/doj-says-barring-ai-training-on-copyrighted-material-could-severely-hamper-tech-progress/
@eff really? fucking really?
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Training AI models on copyrighted works is "squarely what transformative use is," EFF’s Tori Noble told Reason - these are "general purpose tools" and "exactly the kind of creation that copyright is designed to foster.” https://reason.com/2026/09/04/doj-says-barring-ai-training-on-copyrighted-material-could-severely-hamper-tech-progress/
@eff Unfollowing, removing from annual donation list
