i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical
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@andre123 @tef Well, running local takes a lot less than people have been lead to believe. You can run quite a decent bit on even just CPU alone, albeit slowly. And the power usage isn't that bad. Companies use a lot of cheats and shortcuts for the sake of making it faster, bigger context, etc. It adds up almost exponentially.
Besides, I would argue they started killing the open Web *before* the fake "pretend LLMs are general AI" scam started. (Though this idea may have occurred to them.)
@andre123 @tef As a side note, I will admit here that local can also disappear overnight though. There is no such thing as an actual open model, just "freely" available ones. They do not share the training data or methods in any form. Why they get away with calling them "open" I do not know. There is no community effort to make an actually open model that I know of. If corporations decide to control everything they can stop providing models for local... This hasn't occurred to them. Yet.
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we're destroying the open web
we're burning down the closest thing i've ever seen in my life to the library of alexandria
and people are explaining to me how warm it keeps their hands, and maybe, in the future, the ashes will contain the secrets of the universe
My website is getting _hammered_ by AI scraper bot networks. I had to upgrade my hosting plan twice last year, just to keep outages at a semi-acceptable level.
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sure enough machine translation has reasonably proven itself as a mostly public good, albeit at the expense of the translation industry
so i am aware that good things can come with bad prices, but i haven't really seen much good and i am seeing a lot of bad things
it literally breaks my heart that the public web now sits behind a proof of work system, forcing strangers to mine coins to buy access to webpages
because a bunch of tech companies are desperate for an poison-free training set
@tef mhh I'm afraid it currently looks like a net public good because the detrimental effects will just take a generation or two to materialize.
You know, once the first generation that never had to learn a foreign language in order to communicate or consume media will become adults I suspect there will be measurable effects, cause language shapes reality
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we're destroying the open web
we're burning down the closest thing i've ever seen in my life to the library of alexandria
and people are explaining to me how warm it keeps their hands, and maybe, in the future, the ashes will contain the secrets of the universe
@tef It breaks my heart.
There are many, many things in this world that break my heart, but this is one of them.
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we're destroying the open web
we're burning down the closest thing i've ever seen in my life to the library of alexandria
and people are explaining to me how warm it keeps their hands, and maybe, in the future, the ashes will contain the secrets of the universe
@tef I am working for the opposite. And I think this will be successful.
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@tef I think it gives people more options than just a bus or drive or bike and any safety improvements, however small, are welcomed. Imagine when Uber just started until flash ahead and waymo basically replaced human drivers. It will be half the time to get to buses with 15-30 people.
I wonder if the bus drivers have a union
@MeaningfulBits @tef All that does is increase traffic/sprawl and make transport less efficient and dense. Car centrism is a disease, and waymo is only spreading more of it.
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My website is getting _hammered_ by AI scraper bot networks. I had to upgrade my hosting plan twice last year, just to keep outages at a semi-acceptable level.
@juergen_hubert @tef You need a tarpit then. An endless generator of noise, rate limited, to keep the bots busy.
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@tef I'm interested in these stats. Can you point me at your sources?
@tef So this is *a* source: https://www.nhtsa.gov/file-downloads?p=nhtsa/downloads/FARS/
I don't know if it's what you are referencing.
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@juergen_hubert @tef You need a tarpit then. An endless generator of noise, rate limited, to keep the bots busy.
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@tef unfortunately, the original Big Web Dream began to die with the advent of mobile-first and social media. Now its death is only accelerating. Read @timbl's book about that.
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i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical
i mean, there is a slight increase over the last two years but there's sufficient variance to avoid suggesting a trend
as i understand it, waymos tend to take people off busses and other forms of transit, rather than out of their own cars
so i'm doubtful it will lower deaths on the road, just the number of busses
@tef I find it easy to imagine driverless taxis circling the city at random if someone works out that low-speed driving costs less per hour than paying for parking.
