This stuff is really starting to make me _angry_.
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RE: https://infosec.exchange/@0xabad1dea/117239484057326836
This stuff is really starting to make me _angry_. Every one of these new "achievements" looks plausible and like Lucy with the football, people I trust keep telling me it actually works and surely this time it's real. And then like clockwork, 3-6 months later, it turns out that the efficacy of this new technique is somewhere between "break even" and "fraud".
They're turning our whole industry, my entire life's work, into a goddamn memecoin pump and dump scam and I just don't know what to do.
@glyph Scammers have all the power, it is an economy of theft and grift and for the people who are affected by this are looking and understanding the Luddite movement that little bit more.
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When skeptics say it "doesn't work", that's imprecise, not really correct. Nevertheless, this is what we're talking about. It's impossible to tell at the time, it all *looks* like it's doing something, and if you were show me something tomorrow I'd probably believe it again. It just keeps *turning out* after massive efforts to investigate or verify its work, that all its big "capabilities" are just plagiarism, fraud, or both
@glyph I don't think it "doesn't work". It clearly does things that can be useful in specific circumstances, and that can appear useful in a much broader set of circumstances. But it's also eroding our capacity to maintain our own systems (software, broader tech, and social). And one of the ways it does "work" is moving control from users to a handful of unaccountable corporations run by questionable people...
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RE: https://infosec.exchange/@0xabad1dea/117239484057326836
This stuff is really starting to make me _angry_. Every one of these new "achievements" looks plausible and like Lucy with the football, people I trust keep telling me it actually works and surely this time it's real. And then like clockwork, 3-6 months later, it turns out that the efficacy of this new technique is somewhere between "break even" and "fraud".
They're turning our whole industry, my entire life's work, into a goddamn memecoin pump and dump scam and I just don't know what to do.
@glyph
> They're turning our whole industry, my entire life's work, into a goddamn memecoin pump and dump scam and I just don't know what to do.This sentence hits me right in the feels!
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@glyph I don't think it "doesn't work". It clearly does things that can be useful in specific circumstances, and that can appear useful in a much broader set of circumstances. But it's also eroding our capacity to maintain our own systems (software, broader tech, and social). And one of the ways it does "work" is moving control from users to a handful of unaccountable corporations run by questionable people...
only slightly disagree with the „questionable“ part - we know very well these people are very bad persons…
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@glyph
> They're turning our whole industry, my entire life's work, into a goddamn memecoin pump and dump scam and I just don't know what to do.This sentence hits me right in the feels!
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RE: https://infosec.exchange/@0xabad1dea/117239484057326836
This stuff is really starting to make me _angry_. Every one of these new "achievements" looks plausible and like Lucy with the football, people I trust keep telling me it actually works and surely this time it's real. And then like clockwork, 3-6 months later, it turns out that the efficacy of this new technique is somewhere between "break even" and "fraud".
They're turning our whole industry, my entire life's work, into a goddamn memecoin pump and dump scam and I just don't know what to do.
@glyph Draw pictures of Anthropic/OpenAI as Lucy, obviously
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RE: https://infosec.exchange/@0xabad1dea/117239484057326836
This stuff is really starting to make me _angry_. Every one of these new "achievements" looks plausible and like Lucy with the football, people I trust keep telling me it actually works and surely this time it's real. And then like clockwork, 3-6 months later, it turns out that the efficacy of this new technique is somewhere between "break even" and "fraud".
They're turning our whole industry, my entire life's work, into a goddamn memecoin pump and dump scam and I just don't know what to do.
buy a farm and raise goats and chickens.
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RE: https://infosec.exchange/@0xabad1dea/117239484057326836
This stuff is really starting to make me _angry_. Every one of these new "achievements" looks plausible and like Lucy with the football, people I trust keep telling me it actually works and surely this time it's real. And then like clockwork, 3-6 months later, it turns out that the efficacy of this new technique is somewhere between "break even" and "fraud".
They're turning our whole industry, my entire life's work, into a goddamn memecoin pump and dump scam and I just don't know what to do.
@glyph the job of every capitalist system is to take your good will and convert it into gray goo
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RE: https://infosec.exchange/@0xabad1dea/117239484057326836
This stuff is really starting to make me _angry_. Every one of these new "achievements" looks plausible and like Lucy with the football, people I trust keep telling me it actually works and surely this time it's real. And then like clockwork, 3-6 months later, it turns out that the efficacy of this new technique is somewhere between "break even" and "fraud".
They're turning our whole industry, my entire life's work, into a goddamn memecoin pump and dump scam and I just don't know what to do.
@glyph Maybe helping to resist all those "tools" by hiding them helps?
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RE: https://infosec.exchange/@0xabad1dea/117239484057326836
This stuff is really starting to make me _angry_. Every one of these new "achievements" looks plausible and like Lucy with the football, people I trust keep telling me it actually works and surely this time it's real. And then like clockwork, 3-6 months later, it turns out that the efficacy of this new technique is somewhere between "break even" and "fraud".
They're turning our whole industry, my entire life's work, into a goddamn memecoin pump and dump scam and I just don't know what to do.
@glyph The big problem is that they work often enough to be useful, but not often enough to be trusted.
So you can use them to find a pile of vulnerabilities. Some of them might be real and important, some might be fake or just not all that important.
For an attacker, that's great. You can just iterate through until you find one vulnerability that works and exploit it.
For a defender, much less simple. You have to triage them, fix them, ensure the fixes don't themselves introduce new vulnerabilities, etc.
And yeah, this is one of the big frustrations with the whole field. It "works". Often enough to be useful, for some tasks. But what tasks? How do you know when it didn't work?
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RE: https://infosec.exchange/@0xabad1dea/117239484057326836
This stuff is really starting to make me _angry_. Every one of these new "achievements" looks plausible and like Lucy with the football, people I trust keep telling me it actually works and surely this time it's real. And then like clockwork, 3-6 months later, it turns out that the efficacy of this new technique is somewhere between "break even" and "fraud".
They're turning our whole industry, my entire life's work, into a goddamn memecoin pump and dump scam and I just don't know what to do.
@glyph @0xabad1dea :insert Herr Musk carrying a sink into Twitter meme here:
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