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  3. I really didn’t have money on Proton crashing and burning as a trusted community partner and company due to leadership AI psychosis this rapidly.

I really didn’t have money on Proton crashing and burning as a trusted community partner and company due to leadership AI psychosis this rapidly.

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  • hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchangeH hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange

    I really didn’t have money on Proton crashing and burning as a trusted community partner and company due to leadership AI psychosis this rapidly. It’s incredibly disappointing and a huge loss.

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    #65

    @hacks4pancakes got me thinking about hosting my own webmail but i'm terrified of spam

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    • hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchangeH hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange

      I really didn’t have money on Proton crashing and burning as a trusted community partner and company due to leadership AI psychosis this rapidly. It’s incredibly disappointing and a huge loss.

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      #66

      @hacks4pancakes proton had already kicked itself previously, just when i was about to switch to them...

      this is just me looking at them going "nice to break BOTH your kneecaps now"

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      • fullywoolly@mastodon.socialF fullywoolly@mastodon.social

        @Mx_Shankly @mrclark @hacks4pancakes you probably haven't seen it yet but tuta is definitely trending here for their recent AI embrace announcement.

        https://mastodon.social/@Tutanota/117518311002072172

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        #67

        @fullywoolly
        I had no idea. Thank you for bringing it up.

        @mrclark @hacks4pancakes

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        • cgsines@mastodon.worldC cgsines@mastodon.world

          @hacks4pancakes

          after not doing enough research I moved my email to proton a couple of months ago . . . fuck!

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          #68

          @cgsines @hacks4pancakes Just plumped for the joy of running my own a couple of weeks ago. It was that or proton. Looks like I dodged a bullet.

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          • S senslayer@mastodon.social

            @hacks4pancakes got me thinking about hosting my own webmail but i'm terrified of spam

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            #69

            @hacks4pancakes also forcing privacy minded users to fork money to use offline mail clients or use a js web ui is not a good look

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            • mx_shankly@masto.esM mx_shankly@masto.es

              @mrclark
              You were probably asking Lesley, as some others did. If I'm out of place, I'll go ahead and shut up.

              Otherwise, if I may add my personal experience: I think, regardless of what platform we choose, we shouldn't "put all our eggs in one basket". That's what Google, Microslop, and now Proton have taught us (not saying they're all the same). That way, if we find out the software we're using is in any way corrupt, the damage is more containable.

              1/2
              @hacks4pancakes

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              mweiss@infosec.exchange
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              #70

              @Mx_Shankly @hacks4pancakes @mrclark Easy to say, but changing email addresses is not a trivial undertaking. That's not about all eggs in one basket. It's that email switching costs are very high.

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              • nagaram@gts.thinkstoomuch.netN nagaram@gts.thinkstoomuch.net

                @hacks4pancakes

                Gods, I've been a proton user since 2020 I think.

                I wasn't bothered as much by the stupid ass takes on right wingers "pro privacy stance" but calling pentesting loser thought when *the product I am paying for is a security product* is a line.

                "I don't care if the helmets work! We just need to get our helmets out there to beat big helmet for selling unsafe helmets!"

                Fucking seriously guys?

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                #71

                @nagaram @hacks4pancakes Same. I'll be looking for an alternative, but I'm not looking forward to the experience of changing my contact details at N services 🙈

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                • hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchangeH hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange

                  If you use and particularly, pay for anything they make, you need to read this. It’s one of the worst I’ve seen even in the 20s. 😳🫠

                  I don’t think they’re recovering without the board removing executive leadership. https://www.404media.co/manifestos-fear-and-loser-thinking-inside-protons-ai-reckoning/

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                  #72

                  @hacks4pancakes I'm so glad I left a few months ago. It just got to the point where it became impossible to ignore the growing list of problems

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                  • cgsines@mastodon.worldC cgsines@mastodon.world

                    @hacks4pancakes

                    after not doing enough research I moved my email to proton a couple of months ago . . . fuck!

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                    #73

                    @cgsines @hacks4pancakes there were some red flags before, like Andy's praise of JD Vance and the trump admin a couple years back, but they did a rough apology that allowed some face saving.

                    Seems like in the last couple of years he has gone gone full meltdown, likely from his silicon valley pals.

                    The bullshit about "perception is more important than truth" and his desire for the company to flip to a "996" culture (9am to 9pm, 6 days a week) means its sick to its core. The raw disrespect of "thats loser talk" to his devs about actually testing AI is just the fuckest of fuck yous that I'm sure resonates real well with his core customer base, software engineers.

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                    • continuity0@mastodon.socialC continuity0@mastodon.social

                      @hacks4pancakes It’s so fucking disheartening and deflating when trying to reshape my tech footprint into something more moral and ethical. It seems to be getting harder with each passing hour

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                      #74

                      @continuity0 @hacks4pancakes I did a complete overhaul last year, changed almost everything in my setup for, indeed, moral and ethical reasons. Also wanting to support businesses here at home (Europe). It took a lot of determination, relearning and frustration, some of it ongoing.
                      Linux, Libre Office and Proton have played key parts in this transition. All have faced issues recently. Right now I'm not even sure it was worth it.

                      I'm genuinely at a loss and looking at the larger issue - none of this is stuff we should have to worry about - I am beyond angry.

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                      • tootbrute@fedi.arkadi.oneT tootbrute@fedi.arkadi.one

                        @winterknight1337 @hacks4pancakes in the balls, right??? or the other sacked?

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                        #75

                        @tootbrute @winterknight1337 @hacks4pancakes

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                        • niall@mastodon.nzN niall@mastodon.nz

                          @Cotopaxi ditto. Where to go for email and stuff that isn't toxic? Also, I'll need to tell everyone that it's not @proton anymore just like I had to with Gmail and hotmail. Shoulda got my own domain years ago...
                          @hacks4pancakes

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                          #76

                          @Niall @Cotopaxi @hacks4pancakes mailbox.org is getting some good noise over in the Reddit thread about this. Tuta is also an option, but they also use ai coding apparently, although likely not as shithouse as proton does.

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                          • winterknight1337@infosec.exchangeW winterknight1337@infosec.exchange

                            @hacks4pancakes Andy yen needs to be sacked asap

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                            #77

                            @winterknight1337 @hacks4pancakes

                            How’s the record for companies firing wacky CEOs? What does that tell us about boards of directors members?

                            Yeesh, what a world.

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                            • mrclark@infosec.exchangeM mrclark@infosec.exchange

                              @hacks4pancakes This really sucks. I've been moving away from Google services as much as possible and purchased a subscription for Proton Unlimited back in March. Guess I need to start looking for alternatives. I have a couple custom domains. Been using Proton Drive for my photo backups from my GrapheneOS Pixel. Use calendar app. Not much else. Any recommended alternatives that are privacy friendly, no AI BS, etc?

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                              #78

                              @mrclark @hacks4pancakes The Proton-Boss is afraid of Tuta. And Wikipedia says that Tuta by is banned in Russia and Egypt, so they seem to be doing something right.

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                              • hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchangeH hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange

                                I really didn’t have money on Proton crashing and burning as a trusted community partner and company due to leadership AI psychosis this rapidly. It’s incredibly disappointing and a huge loss.

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                                #79

                                @hacks4pancakes at least they were kind enough to do it before my unlimited sub renews lmao

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                                • cgsines@mastodon.worldC cgsines@mastodon.world

                                  @hacks4pancakes

                                  after not doing enough research I moved my email to proton a couple of months ago . . . fuck!

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                                  #80

                                  @cgsines @hacks4pancakes The email part isn't even the worst for me. I finally managed to get the family to use a password manager, we each have our own vault, there is one for the wife and me for shared stuff and there is another one for all of us that has everything we also need on the kids' device.
                                  I personally don't mind KeePass but for sharing with non-technical people it's a pain.

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                                  • hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchangeH hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange

                                    I really didn’t have money on Proton crashing and burning as a trusted community partner and company due to leadership AI psychosis this rapidly. It’s incredibly disappointing and a huge loss.

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                                    #81

                                    @hacks4pancakes I had written them off when I heard about the CEO being 'anti-woke' (aka pro-fash), that must have been 1 or 2 years ago. Seems I was right.

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                                    • newstik@social.heise.deN newstik@social.heise.de

                                      @mrclark @hacks4pancakes The Proton-Boss is afraid of Tuta. And Wikipedia says that Tuta by is banned in Russia and Egypt, so they seem to be doing something right.

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                                      #82

                                      @newstik @mrclark @hacks4pancakes
                                      Until https://mastodon.social/@fullywoolly/117528173352385823

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                                      • tkissing@mastodon.socialT tkissing@mastodon.social

                                        @cgsines @hacks4pancakes The email part isn't even the worst for me. I finally managed to get the family to use a password manager, we each have our own vault, there is one for the wife and me for shared stuff and there is another one for all of us that has everything we also need on the kids' device.
                                        I personally don't mind KeePass but for sharing with non-technical people it's a pain.

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                                        #83

                                        @tkissing @cgsines @hacks4pancakes dashlane is pretty decent for non-techies in my experience

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                                        • shadowdancer@mstdn.socialS shadowdancer@mstdn.social

                                          @hacks4pancakes
                                          If you just need a secure email, why not try Tuta? [1] The mobile app is not as flashy as Proton's but it works and I've been quite happy with it.

                                          I believe they have a rather strict no-AI stance too.

                                          Also the paid plan lets you create 15(?) different emails pointing to the same inbox. It's pretty useful when you don't want to use the same emal everywhere.

                                          [1] tuta.com

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                                          #84

                                          @shadowdancer @hacks4pancakes, saw this today:
                                          https://tiggi.es/@aires/117526953338683376

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