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  • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

    @navi it seems like scooters had a modest impact, probably mostly offsetting personally owned bicycles. I don’t think they’ve come anywhere close to “changing how cities work” (the supposed promise of the segway). A thing can be successful without being “revolutionary”.

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    #31

    @mattblaze @navi Rental scooters seem to have cluttered sidewalks and impeded pedestrians. Doesn't that count?

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    • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

      @stuart @navi you certainly see a lot of people using them, but have they really changed much about how the city is organized or people’s relationship to neighborhoods, etc? London has always had very dense transit and multiple options for getting around and commuting.

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      #32

      @stuart @navi I’m not trying to be contrary here, I’m just not seeing anything radically different. Just some improvements to peoples’ options (which seems like a fine thing; not every invention or technology has to upend society to be valuable).

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      • gooba42@mastodon.socialG gooba42@mastodon.social

        @benroyce @Jazone @mattblaze Business in general has given up on pure R&D so now every time they come up with a new idea, they monetize it *first* before getting to the point of feasibility or viability.

        It turns *everything* into some kind of grift when handled this way.

        "We have no idea whether this is useful but like hell are we gonna let consumers get away without paying for it anyway."

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        #33

        @gooba42 @benroyce @mattblaze
        Totally 😆

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        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

          @Jazone @mattblaze

          i have no argument with you

          instead i am saying that unlike the stock market, which is about ventures based on real world applications, #cryptocurrency has none. thus, it is only a casino

          so you win the argument on the basis of scoping the discussion to the dreamer buying and selling crypto

          but outside that argument: the consideration of what crypto actually does

          it does nothing

          it's just poker chips, with hype signals driving ups and downs that you can analyze

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          #34

          @benroyce
          Money is promises.
          It seems obscure whose efforts are promised by a unit of Cryptocurrency.
          Also, what happens if such a promise is not kept, and who causes it to happen?

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          • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

            The "AI changes everything" people rhyme remarkably well with the "blockchain changes everything" people.

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            #35

            @mattblaze The blockchain works great! You can block everyone who shows up in your timeline talking about crypto, then block everyone who asks why you blocked the first fool.

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            • gooba42@mastodon.socialG gooba42@mastodon.social

              @benroyce @Jazone @mattblaze Business in general has given up on pure R&D so now every time they come up with a new idea, they monetize it *first* before getting to the point of feasibility or viability.

              It turns *everything* into some kind of grift when handled this way.

              "We have no idea whether this is useful but like hell are we gonna let consumers get away without paying for it anyway."

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              #36

              @gooba42 @Jazone @mattblaze

              past:

              here's a product. oh wow -> lots of money

              current:

              let me describe an amazing product. oh wow -> lots of money

              perverse incentives

              in cryptocurrency, AI, lots of the edges of tech

              people buy the promise rather than the thing

              then something strange happens: they get very defensive about it

              because they invested so much, they can't face the reality it's empty promises

              this begins to take on the trappings of a social movement, a cult, rather than business

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              • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                @Jazone @mattblaze

                sure, cryptocurrency has been remarkably profitable

                for the whales

                the rest are gullible rubes who are robbed by con men extolling an amazing flimsy tech dream built on hype and FOMO

                just like AI

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                #37

                @benroyce @Jazone @mattblaze Cryptocurrency was very profitable for that one guy who used to own crypto.com and sold it to some coinmongers. What was his name...?

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                • jef@mastodon.socialJ jef@mastodon.social

                  @benroyce @Jazone @mattblaze Cryptocurrency was very profitable for that one guy who used to own crypto.com and sold it to some coinmongers. What was his name...?

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                  #38

                  @jef @benroyce @mattblaze

                  Everyone has a different definition of profits but historically, 10% on your investment is reasonable.
                  I'm aware of many private Trust funds that are sitting on 3000 to 5000% profits plus dividends because of the maturity of the assets.

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                  • photo55@mastodon.socialP photo55@mastodon.social

                    @benroyce
                    Money is promises.
                    It seems obscure whose efforts are promised by a unit of Cryptocurrency.
                    Also, what happens if such a promise is not kept, and who causes it to happen?

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                    #39

                    @Photo55

                    that's easy

                    you understand what's going on. i understand what's going on. we're not involved, we're spectators

                    of this large crowd of gullible rubes enthusing about some tech thing. ok... but why are they so enthusiastic?

                    that's psychology: they invested their time and energy and money, and all they have is waiting, so they do this weird hype circus

                    until what?

                    until the third person who understands what's going on, the grifter, does their rug pull, and walks away with a tidy sum

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                    • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

                      The "AI changes everything" people rhyme remarkably well with the "blockchain changes everything" people.

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                      #40

                      @mattblaze Almost like they're the same people...🤔

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                        #41

                        @intothewestaway @benroyce @mattblaze

                        Corruption personified.

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                        • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

                          The "AI changes everything" people rhyme remarkably well with the "blockchain changes everything" people.

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                          #42

                          @mattblaze they want to believe!

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                          • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

                            @navi it seems like scooters had a modest impact, probably mostly offsetting personally owned bicycles. I don’t think they’ve come anywhere close to “changing how cities work” (the supposed promise of the segway). A thing can be successful without being “revolutionary”.

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                            #43

                            @mattblaze Scooters, at least in my area, aren't changing much, even though we're seeing more of them.

                            Biggest impact seems to be the amount of injuries people are being seen for. Kind of like this decade's high impact aerobics, or yoga.

                            @navi

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                              #44

                              @intothewestaway @Jazone @mattblaze

                              right

                              that's a family of con artists, for a long time

                              how they got into #cryptocurrency should educate crypto cult dreamers, but it doesn't

                              the con artist arrived late, and heard: "what you do is hype something, people buy a bunch of it, the price goes up, you rug pull millions or billions, and the gullible marks get ash in their mouth, and somehow never learn"

                              and the con artist said: "great! sign me up!"

                              it's an amazing money laundering grift

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                              • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                @Jazone @mattblaze

                                right but i'd say the entire sector is a grift

                                it has no applications, besides as a casino whose selling point is tech hype. it's 2026: nothing useful, nothing large scale, has been adopted from #cryptocurrency. people thought it was a new internet

                                it started out full of dreams, which is fine. normal. noble even

                                but there's a lot of that in tech: dead ends

                                and all cryptocurrency offers now is this endless hype and nothing but harvesting money from the impressionable

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                                #45

                                @benroyce Have you no respect for the Iranian proclamation that they'll take payments in crypto for passage in Hormuz? (If you don't want to pay in renminbi.)

                                @Jazone @mattblaze

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                                • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

                                  The "AI changes everything" people rhyme remarkably well with the "blockchain changes everything" people.

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                                  @mattblaze are they different people, really?

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                                  • dnkboston@apobangpo.spaceD dnkboston@apobangpo.space

                                    @benroyce Have you no respect for the Iranian proclamation that they'll take payments in crypto for passage in Hormuz? (If you don't want to pay in renminbi.)

                                    @Jazone @mattblaze

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                                    #47

                                    @dnkboston @Jazone @mattblaze

                                    any movement in crypto drives hype. so just the bare act of large sums flowing through it drives up the price

                                    thus, criminal and shadowy elements *love* crypto. instead of receiving funds, they often receive funds, and a profit

                                    it's funny because unlike a suitcase full of cash, crypto is pseudonymous

                                    you can see all transactions. and potentially connect that to a real person/ org

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                                      @dnkboston @Jazone @mattblaze

                                      any movement in crypto drives hype. so just the bare act of large sums flowing through it drives up the price

                                      thus, criminal and shadowy elements *love* crypto. instead of receiving funds, they often receive funds, and a profit

                                      it's funny because unlike a suitcase full of cash, crypto is pseudonymous

                                      you can see all transactions. and potentially connect that to a real person/ org

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                                      #48

                                      @benroyce @dnkboston @mattblaze

                                      The major US brokerage corporations like Schwab, all offer access to Crypto sales. The only accounts that are unable to invest in Crypto is Trust accounts and that will be the last barrier.

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                                      • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

                                        @stuart @navi I’m not trying to be contrary here, I’m just not seeing anything radically different. Just some improvements to peoples’ options (which seems like a fine thing; not every invention or technology has to upend society to be valuable).

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                                        #49

                                        @mattblaze @navi

                                        The crucial changd, if if happens, is to car ownership. Already I think less than 50% in inner London concentrated in low income groups (78%) who primarily use puic transport - bus fares are just £1.75. Rental e-bikes are not cheap so are additionally helping make car ownership an option amongst young professionals.

                                        Hence they may be the tipping point to car ownership being reduced to a small minority in inner London. Wifh the transformation of road infrastructure to reflect demand pushing it harder in a virtuous circle.

                                        .Importantly it is looking like a generational change to the blight that was cars in London.

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                                        • jazone@theforkiverse.comJ jazone@theforkiverse.com

                                          @benroyce @dnkboston @mattblaze

                                          The major US brokerage corporations like Schwab, all offer access to Crypto sales. The only accounts that are unable to invest in Crypto is Trust accounts and that will be the last barrier.

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                                          #50

                                          @Jazone @dnkboston @mattblaze

                                          well yes. but what you're describing to me is financial instruments are allowed legally to invest in a casino. it doesn't interest me. it interests you, which is fine, because you're probably making money off of it

                                          the only thing i care about is applications. i see none. thus i deem the whole sector as vaporware

                                          financially? crypto is a great game for the suitably motivated. i applaud you if you have profited off of it

                                          but technologically? crypto is a joke

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