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What the fuck is going on in #Germany #Deutschland

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  • farlukar@mas.toF farlukar@mas.to

    @danimo @benroyce [offtopic] I was in Hamburg a few years ago, and it was absolutely amazing to see that even the football ultras were vehemently anti-nazi. [/offtopic]

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    #61

    @farlukar @danimo

    that is quite remarkable. if even the usual violent bigoted bleacher creatures are like "yeah, that's not us"

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    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

      @elala

      to me, any sort of big economic downturn (such as the upcoming AI bubble burst or the much bigger much worse climate collapse) is just fertile mountains of anger to fuel more fascism

      the problem is simple

      when faced with suffering, even suffering *created* by fascists, people are angry and stupid and can be shaped by all the usual easy lies

      the most potent feature of #fascism is anger and frustration is never married with intelligence

      so this all over again:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression_in_Germany

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      #62

      @benroyce
      In times of the greatest, most fundamental hardship, however, people often rediscover their greatest strengths: solidarity, empathy, a willingness to help, cooperation, resourcefulness...
      We see this time and again after natural disasters—people coming together to move mountains as a community.
      Stock prices will no longer matter, and borders will be erased; we’ll be thrown back to the basics.
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      • elala@social.cologneE elala@social.cologne

        @benroyce
        In times of the greatest, most fundamental hardship, however, people often rediscover their greatest strengths: solidarity, empathy, a willingness to help, cooperation, resourcefulness...
        We see this time and again after natural disasters—people coming together to move mountains as a community.
        Stock prices will no longer matter, and borders will be erased; we’ll be thrown back to the basics.
        1/

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        #63

        @benroyce
        What lies ahead of us now has never happened before—there’s no blueprint for it. We can and must reinvent ourselves.
        That’s what I’d rather believe.😬

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        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

          @uriel

          i wouldn't describe accurately identifying the problem as boring

          i would describe the usual reaction to identifying the problem as boring:

          garden variety cynicism and perfectionism, yes you are right about that

          if our car gets a flat tire, that's not boring. if our reaction is to throw up our hands and whine instead of fixing it, yes that's boring

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          #64

          very american. Which means, dumb.

          I hate this superficial, stupid, two-sides-only representation of politics you american have. And then, the arrogance to explain to people living in a place what they see, just because you have a TV at home.

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          • elala@social.cologneE elala@social.cologne

            @benroyce
            What lies ahead of us now has never happened before—there’s no blueprint for it. We can and must reinvent ourselves.
            That’s what I’d rather believe.😬

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            #65

            @elala

            well i can be a total jerk and poo poo your sense of hope

            however, i share that sense of hope with you, so i won't, and instead embrace your optimism

            we've faced worse. the only real failure would be for us to sit and cry and not roll up our sleeves and get to work fixing this shit

            that is what the real left needs to do

            the fake left can sit and whine and wallow in cynicism

            🙌

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            • gehtso@social.tchncs.deG gehtso@social.tchncs.de

              @benroyce @RobynNuthall @danimo
              The far-right likes to sell left-wing politics to simple-minded people as the ultimate evil, and they actually believe it. When racism is thrown into the mix, the simple-minded are almost completely convinced. It’s not much different here in Europe either.
              Social policy is also often labeled as communism, even though it’s far from it.

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              #66

              @Gehtso @benroyce @RobynNuthall @danimo You say simple minded, but remember that an IQ of 100 is the mean. That’s not that clever. Half of the population is less intelligent, and more easily led/ misled.

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              • uriel@x.keinpfusch.netU uriel@x.keinpfusch.net

                very american. Which means, dumb.

                I hate this superficial, stupid, two-sides-only representation of politics you american have. And then, the arrogance to explain to people living in a place what they see, just because you have a TV at home.

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                #67

                @uriel

                that's why i said i could be wrong

                so you can educate me

                rather than shitting on your allies in the usa

                and russia. and israel. and china. etc. ignore those still trying to fight the good fight

                which is tactical failure when it comes to the challenge ahead of us

                after the election sunday, why don't i just condemn all of germany? because i'm not tactically inept

                but perhaps you don't want to fix our problem

                perhaps you want to sit there and tweak your ego about how superior you are

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                • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                  @elala

                  well i can be a total jerk and poo poo your sense of hope

                  however, i share that sense of hope with you, so i won't, and instead embrace your optimism

                  we've faced worse. the only real failure would be for us to sit and cry and not roll up our sleeves and get to work fixing this shit

                  that is what the real left needs to do

                  the fake left can sit and whine and wallow in cynicism

                  🙌

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                  #68

                  @benroyce
                  That’s how we do it.🤗

                  We’re all tired and sad and angry and exhausted and frustrated… so, after all, we _can_ only improve our situation now, because there’s much more room to go up than down.😅

                  And I wouldn’t necessarily call it optimism, but rather a will to survive, because I’m human, and experience has shown that humans simply can’t help but seek out and find new paths when obstacles block the entrance to the cave.😏

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                  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                    @uriel

                    that's why i said i could be wrong

                    so you can educate me

                    rather than shitting on your allies in the usa

                    and russia. and israel. and china. etc. ignore those still trying to fight the good fight

                    which is tactical failure when it comes to the challenge ahead of us

                    after the election sunday, why don't i just condemn all of germany? because i'm not tactically inept

                    but perhaps you don't want to fix our problem

                    perhaps you want to sit there and tweak your ego about how superior you are

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                    #69

                    @uriel

                    ps: i used to be friends (i moved) with a former bundeswehr guy from munich who moved to the usa after they tried to restation him in east germany after reunification. he said "fuck no"

                    he had many unkind things to say about east germany

                    i readily admit my impression of east germany is shaped through the lens of a biased bavarian dude. i recognize my impression can be wrong. i said i can be wrong. so you can educate me

                    or, you know, shit all over me because it makes your ego feel good

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                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                      @uriel

                      that's why i said i could be wrong

                      so you can educate me

                      rather than shitting on your allies in the usa

                      and russia. and israel. and china. etc. ignore those still trying to fight the good fight

                      which is tactical failure when it comes to the challenge ahead of us

                      after the election sunday, why don't i just condemn all of germany? because i'm not tactically inept

                      but perhaps you don't want to fix our problem

                      perhaps you want to sit there and tweak your ego about how superior you are

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                      #70

                      It takes no effort to be superior to the US, nowadays. Is not us being superior. It’s you being inferior.

                      And yo WANTED to be like you are. It’s your fault. Your decision. ALL OF YOU.

                      rather than shitting on your allies in the usa

                      we don’t have allies in the US. Some outdated politicians like the one we have still thinks like in the '80s, but for the yonger population, is very clear that US is NOT an “ally”. And many are even asking if US were ever allies.

                      But you should be able to read german or non-english news , to understand the feeling.

                      so you can educate me

                      there is no people who educates you. Is you learning or not. But you can’t even stand a simple statement, like Bavaria is not politically nazi. Because for your dumb brain, there is you, and not you, which means, nazi.

                      You can’t understand a system with 5,6 parties, cause your brain can only understand 2, and you can’t understand being conservative with no fascism, because this is how it works in america.

                      Sorry, yyou are Trump. Inherently. Inside you. 100% colonized by Trump. You may take down Trump, democrats can change the wording, and US will still be Trump. Trump is you. Trump is the way you think.

                      Trump is all of you, and you are all trump. President or not, Trump is America.

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