🇩🇪EU-Parlament lässt #Chatkontrolle 1.0 trotz Mehrheits‑Nein (314:276) passieren – Massenscans privater Chats bis 2028 erlaubt.
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@echo_pbreyer
Wieso geht das trotz "Nein"??? Kann mir das jemand erklären?@cytro Es wäre eine absolute Mehrheit nötig gewesen, siehe Link im Post
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@echo_pbreyer Are the next steps through the courts?
If the Data Retention Directive (Directive 2006/24/EC) couldn't survive _Digital Rights Ireland and Others_ (C‑293/12 and C‑594/12), surely this is in many ways many times worse?
@clickhere A lawsuit is pending, but it takes ages
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> “The fact that Chat Control is moving forward against the will of the majority of voting MEPs is a farce and damages democracy. Our children are the real losers in this undemocratic process. The passage of a genuine, permanent child protection regulation is now in serious jeopardy. The Council will never agree to a desperately needed paradigm shift as long as they can simply stick to the old approach of suspicionless scanning at the whim of the tech industry.”
So true. I am very pro-EU. Except these shenanigans make me get underbelly feelings of "FUCK EU, let it all go to shite then" (to say it diplomatically). Well.. take a deep breath. On to fighting off #ChatControl 2.0.
But also: Who are these freaking lobbyists that keep pushing this shebang against the wishes of the people, at all cost? More naming and shaming, please.
@smallcircles @echo_pbreyer Yea this sucks, the eu is often does wonderful things but it is also deeply flawed as seen here. The only fix for it is treaty reforms and unfortunately it is unlikely that member states will agree on such reforms any time soon...
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The European Parliament lets #ChatControl 1.0 go through despite a majority voting against it (314:276) – allowing mass scanning of private chats until 2028. Survivors are warning. My analysis and why this is the wrong approach 
@echo_pbreyer What kind of fictional democracy is the European Parliament if the majority vote against it means nothing!?
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@cytro Es wäre eine absolute Mehrheit nötig gewesen, siehe Link im Post
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@echo_pbreyer What kind of fictional democracy is the European Parliament if the majority vote against it means nothing!?
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@davidculley So they can simply override EU parliament vote?
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EU-Parlament lässt #Chatkontrolle 1.0 trotz Mehrheits‑Nein (314:276) passieren – Massenscans privater Chats bis 2028 erlaubt. Betroffene warnen. Meine Einordnung und warum das der falsche Weg ist
https://www.patrick-breyer.de/eu-parlament-winkt-chatkontrolle-1-0-durch-breyer-wahrer-verlierer-sind-unsere-kinder/
#Demokratiefailsorry.. ich verstehe die Fragestellung nciht
https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/195788"Temporary derogation from certain provisions of the ePrivacy Directive to combat online child sexual abuse"
ist "ja" ein "JA" zur Kontrolle ?
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El Parlamento Europeo deja pasar el #ChatControl 1.0 pese a que una mayoría votó en contra (314:276), permitiendo el escaneo masivo de chats privados hasta 2028. Las víctimas advierten de sus riesgos. Mi análisis Tolles EU-Parlament, das ja angeblich so demokratisch ist.
Aber in anderen Ländern hoch einen auf Moralisch machen.
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@clickhere A lawsuit is pending, but it takes ages
@echo_pbreyer Thank you. Yes, it's completely frustrating.
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EU-Parlament lässt #Chatkontrolle 1.0 trotz Mehrheits‑Nein (314:276) passieren – Massenscans privater Chats bis 2028 erlaubt. Betroffene warnen. Meine Einordnung und warum das der falsche Weg ist
https://www.patrick-breyer.de/eu-parlament-winkt-chatkontrolle-1-0-durch-breyer-wahrer-verlierer-sind-unsere-kinder/
#Demokratiefail@echo_pbreyer
Da sieht man, wie wichtig EU Abgeordnete Abstimmungen nehmen.
Relative Mehrheit reicht nicht. -
The European Parliament lets #ChatControl 1.0 go through despite a majority voting against it (314:276) – allowing mass scanning of private chats until 2028. Survivors are warning. My analysis and why this is the wrong approach
@echo_pbreyer Tried my best by emailing and calling my MEPs. Of course most of them ignored me or they weren't in office.
It's frustrating.
Thanks for being on the right side of this s**t.
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@bjorn @echo_pbreyer An absolute majority of all MEPs incl. absentees was required to vote down the proposal, I think that was the point of the procedural tricks deployed this week?
@HaTetsu @bjorn @echo_pbreyer what I didnt get is: if theres no absolute NO-Majority, then there is also no absolute YES-Majority...
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@echo_pbreyer What kind of fictional democracy is the European Parliament if the majority vote against it means nothing!?
@andrewblasco @echo_pbreyer the problem is that the European Union is the biggest compromise ever envisioned. One of those compromises is seen here. The parliament needs to get an absolute majority to fight back against the decision of the member states(The Council of the European Union where national ministers vote). The only way to have this not happen again is treaty reforms which needs all the member states to agree on it...
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@smallcircles @echo_pbreyer Yea this sucks, the eu is often does wonderful things but it is also deeply flawed as seen here. The only fix for it is treaty reforms and unfortunately it is unlikely that member states will agree on such reforms any time soon...
@nikthechampiongr @echo_pbreyer
There's a discussion on HN again, where the matter gained a lot of attention the past couple weeks.
One person clearly named in top comment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberta_Metsola
> "Roberta Metsola's actions this week jeopardise the legitimacy of the EU project as a whole."
Another comment about "What is coming back" with #ChatControl 1.0:
> "US tech companies are once again allowed to scan private messages without a warrant or prior suspicion. This affects direct messages on platforms like Instagram, Discord, Snapchat, Skype, and Xbox, as well as emails via Google’s Gmail and Apple’s iCloud."
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The European Parliament lets #ChatControl 1.0 go through despite a majority voting against it (314:276) – allowing mass scanning of private chats until 2028. Survivors are warning. My analysis and why this is the wrong approach
@echo_pbreyer ”no but you see, OUR fascism is good”
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EU-Parlament lässt #Chatkontrolle 1.0 trotz Mehrheits‑Nein (314:276) passieren – Massenscans privater Chats bis 2028 erlaubt. Betroffene warnen. Meine Einordnung und warum das der falsche Weg ist
https://www.patrick-breyer.de/eu-parlament-winkt-chatkontrolle-1-0-durch-breyer-wahrer-verlierer-sind-unsere-kinder/
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> “The fact that Chat Control is moving forward against the will of the majority of voting MEPs is a farce and damages democracy. Our children are the real losers in this undemocratic process. The passage of a genuine, permanent child protection regulation is now in serious jeopardy. The Council will never agree to a desperately needed paradigm shift as long as they can simply stick to the old approach of suspicionless scanning at the whim of the tech industry.”
So true. I am very pro-EU. Except these shenanigans make me get underbelly feelings of "FUCK EU, let it all go to shite then" (to say it diplomatically). Well.. take a deep breath. On to fighting off #ChatControl 2.0.
But also: Who are these freaking lobbyists that keep pushing this shebang against the wishes of the people, at all cost? More naming and shaming, please.
Name
Shame
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@cytro Es wäre eine absolute Mehrheit nötig gewesen, siehe Link im Post
@echo_pbreyer
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EU-Parlament lässt #Chatkontrolle 1.0 trotz Mehrheits‑Nein (314:276) passieren – Massenscans privater Chats bis 2028 erlaubt. Betroffene warnen. Meine Einordnung und warum das der falsche Weg ist
https://www.patrick-breyer.de/eu-parlament-winkt-chatkontrolle-1-0-durch-breyer-wahrer-verlierer-sind-unsere-kinder/
#Demokratiefail"Die Mehrheit der anwesenden Abgeordneten stimmte heute zwar gegen die Verordnung (314:276:17). Der Ablehnungsantrag verfehlte aber die erforderliche absolute Mehrheit von 361 Stimmen."
Das ist doch ein Skandal, dass sowas überhaupt möglich ist...
