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🇩🇪EU-Parlament lässt #Chatkontrolle 1.0 trotz Mehrheits‑Nein (314:276) passieren – Massenscans privater Chats bis 2028 erlaubt.

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  • smallcircles@social.coopS smallcircles@social.coop

    @echo_pbreyer

    > “The fact that Chat Control is moving forward against the will of the majority of voting MEPs is a farce and damages democracy. Our children are the real losers in this undemocratic process. The passage of a genuine, permanent child protection regulation is now in serious jeopardy. The Council will never agree to a desperately needed paradigm shift as long as they can simply stick to the old approach of suspicionless scanning at the whim of the tech industry.”

    So true. I am very pro-EU. Except these shenanigans make me get underbelly feelings of "FUCK EU, let it all go to shite then" (to say it diplomatically). Well.. take a deep breath. On to fighting off #ChatControl 2.0.

    But also: Who are these freaking lobbyists that keep pushing this shebang against the wishes of the people, at all cost? More naming and shaming, please.

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    vineyardsiren@mastodon.social
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    @smallcircles @echo_pbreyer

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    • echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.socialE echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.social

      @cytro Es wäre eine absolute Mehrheit nötig gewesen, siehe Link im Post

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      #36

      @echo_pbreyer
      Was bedeutet eine absolute Mehrheit? 100% der anwesenden?

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      • echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.socialE echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.social

        🇩🇪EU-Parlament lässt #Chatkontrolle 1.0 trotz Mehrheits‑Nein (314:276) passieren – Massenscans privater Chats bis 2028 erlaubt. Betroffene warnen. Meine Einordnung und warum das der falsche Weg ist 👇
        https://www.patrick-breyer.de/eu-parlament-winkt-chatkontrolle-1-0-durch-breyer-wahrer-verlierer-sind-unsere-kinder/
        #Demokratiefail

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        #37
        "Die Mehrheit der anwesenden Abgeordneten stimmte heute zwar gegen die Verordnung (314:276:17). Der Ablehnungsantrag verfehlte aber die erforderliche absolute Mehrheit von 361 Stimmen."

        Das ist doch ein Skandal, dass sowas überhaupt möglich ist...
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        • echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.socialE echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.social

          🇪🇺 The European Parliament lets #ChatControl 1.0 go through despite a majority voting against it (314:276) – allowing mass scanning of private chats until 2028. Survivors are warning. My analysis and why this is the wrong approach 👇

          https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/eu-parliament-greenlights-chat-control-1-0-breyer-our-children-lose-out/

          #DemocracyFail

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          @echo_pbreyer I'm confused. If the majority voted against it, how did it go through? What is the point of the vote?

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          • smallcircles@social.coopS smallcircles@social.coop

            @nikthechampiongr @echo_pbreyer

            There's a discussion on HN again, where the matter gained a lot of attention the past couple weeks.

            One person clearly named in top comment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberta_Metsola

            > "Roberta Metsola's actions this week jeopardise the legitimacy of the EU project as a whole."

            Another comment about "What is coming back" with #ChatControl 1.0:

            > "US tech companies are once again allowed to scan private messages without a warrant or prior suspicion. This affects direct messages on platforms like Instagram, Discord, Snapchat, Skype, and Xbox, as well as emails via Google’s Gmail and Apple’s iCloud."

            https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48843923

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            @smallcircles @nikthechampiongr @echo_pbreyer She is also fully against womens' right to choose (all historic votes) and is married to Ukko Metsola, top lobbyist for the Royal Caribbean Group, one of the biggest air and water polluting cruise companies.

            Curious how environmental protections are rolled back under her presidency - I'm sure it's just coincidence right? Right?

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            • gegenwind@chaos.socialG gegenwind@chaos.social

              @echo_pbreyer

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              #40

              @Gegenwind @echo_pbreyer Könnte das etwa etwas mit Korruption zu tun haben? Wundert mich, dass sie mit Zuckerberg kein Händchen hält ...

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              • echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.socialE echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.social

                🇪🇺 The European Parliament lets #ChatControl 1.0 go through despite a majority voting against it (314:276) – allowing mass scanning of private chats until 2028. Survivors are warning. My analysis and why this is the wrong approach 👇

                https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/eu-parliament-greenlights-chat-control-1-0-breyer-our-children-lose-out/

                #DemocracyFail

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                amici@fribygda.no
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                #41

                @echo_pbreyer

                this is the kind of reason why I'm an anarchist and find our examples of "democracy" to be always corrupt

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                • echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.socialE echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.social

                  🇪🇸 🇪🇺 El Parlamento Europeo deja pasar el #ChatControl 1.0 pese a que una mayoría votó en contra (314:276), permitiendo el escaneo masivo de chats privados hasta 2028. Las víctimas advierten de sus riesgos. Mi análisis 👇

                  https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/eu-parliament-greenlights-chat-control-1-0-breyer-our-children-lose-out/

                  #FracasoDemocrático

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                  #42

                  @echo_pbreyer porque si perdió... Ganó??? 😫

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                  • echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.socialE echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.social

                    🇩🇪EU-Parlament lässt #Chatkontrolle 1.0 trotz Mehrheits‑Nein (314:276) passieren – Massenscans privater Chats bis 2028 erlaubt. Betroffene warnen. Meine Einordnung und warum das der falsche Weg ist 👇
                    https://www.patrick-breyer.de/eu-parlament-winkt-chatkontrolle-1-0-durch-breyer-wahrer-verlierer-sind-unsere-kinder/
                    #Demokratiefail

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                    #43

                    @echo_pbreyer Ich kann mir das nur so erklären, das bestimmte Kreise ein Faschismus vorbereiten und damit sie damit durchkommen, brauchen sie diese Tools.

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                    • echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.socialE echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.social

                      🇪🇺 The European Parliament lets #ChatControl 1.0 go through despite a majority voting against it (314:276) – allowing mass scanning of private chats until 2028. Survivors are warning. My analysis and why this is the wrong approach 👇

                      https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/eu-parliament-greenlights-chat-control-1-0-breyer-our-children-lose-out/

                      #DemocracyFail

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                      prometheuspetrosss@mas.to
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                      @echo_pbreyer #reticulum
                      https://reticulum.network/

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                      • echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.socialE echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.social

                        🇪🇺 The European Parliament lets #ChatControl 1.0 go through despite a majority voting against it (314:276) – allowing mass scanning of private chats until 2028. Survivors are warning. My analysis and why this is the wrong approach 👇

                        https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/eu-parliament-greenlights-chat-control-1-0-breyer-our-children-lose-out/

                        #DemocracyFail

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                        #45

                        In a geopolitical time and new world order where the #EU has great opportunity for positive change, the #EUParliament and @EUCommission pulled a great marketing ploy on #ChatControl ..

                        The top upvoted comment on the very popular discussion thread on HN relating to @echo_pbreyer article says it all:

                        > The EU is a farce, an undemocratic virtue signaling organization.

                        Then sums up the farcical sad state of affairs, and ending with:

                        > In PRACTICALITY, the Commission can pursue any agenda whenever and however they want, and throw the votes down the drain. EU's #democracy is lipstick on a pig.

                        https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48843923

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                        • echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.socialE echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.social

                          🇩🇪EU-Parlament lässt #Chatkontrolle 1.0 trotz Mehrheits‑Nein (314:276) passieren – Massenscans privater Chats bis 2028 erlaubt. Betroffene warnen. Meine Einordnung und warum das der falsche Weg ist 👇
                          https://www.patrick-breyer.de/eu-parlament-winkt-chatkontrolle-1-0-durch-breyer-wahrer-verlierer-sind-unsere-kinder/
                          #Demokratiefail

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                          #46

                          @echo_pbreyer I do not like it. That should not happen. Why they do such things? That is not legal? How we can stopp it quickly? #StopChatcontrol

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                          • flower2thepeople@wehavecookies.socialF flower2thepeople@wehavecookies.social

                            @HaTetsu @bjorn @echo_pbreyer what I didnt get is: if theres no absolute NO-Majority, then there is also no absolute YES-Majority...

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                            #47

                            @flower2thepeople @HaTetsu @echo_pbreyer Yeah true. And the IMHO shady thing is that the previous voting had different rules for majority than this one. Also the timing is awkard, in the middle of summer. Some MEP's might have been on holiday already, making it even harder to reject.

                            I am in general pro EU, but I don't agree with the way this was handled.

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