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  • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

    When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

    Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

    Hit those Zuckerbergs.

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    #28

    @randahl Before you think about that, think about DNS.

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    • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

      When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

      Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

      Hit those Zuckerbergs.

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      #29

      @randahl Hit those Zuckerbergs... i love it!

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      • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

        @om @randahl That's valid, too, but it's not an instant solution. (EU corps can't just throw a switch and offer a no-DRM-on-this-tractor-engine product: there are massive startup/R&D costs). Whereas tariffs on use of US big tech *is* a fast smackdown (although there's a secondary chilling effect on the EU companies paying for them).

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        #30

        @cstross But why is it important that we get instant gratification? Wasn't it "revenge is a dish best served cold"? 😉 @om @randahl

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        • ilka4you@mastodon.socialI ilka4you@mastodon.social

          @randahl and clouds! Besos' dream is to have no more personal computers in households but instead everything in his clouds.

          Imagine this horror & terror coming true.

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          #31

          @Ilka4You @randahl

          Permanent and irreplaceable dependency is a rentseeker's wet dream.

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          • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

            When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

            Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

            Hit those Zuckerbergs.

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            #32

            @randahl Absolutely! Target the income and the monopolies of the American oligarchs (FB, Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Apple etc).

            If they stop handing billions of $ to the corrupt trump regime, then there is a chance the regime will fall, and democracy may return.

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            • carsten@minnesotasocial.netC carsten@minnesotasocial.net

              @randahl and maybe small action for everyone... Download and share to other social media... Have your kids make a tiktok...

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              #33

              @carsten @randahl

              Don't forget Starbucks. Last time I was in UK, and Spain, those were all over the place.

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              • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                Hit those Zuckerbergs.

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                #34

                @randahl

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                • martijn@scholar.socialM martijn@scholar.social

                  @cstross But why is it important that we get instant gratification? Wasn't it "revenge is a dish best served cold"? 😉 @om @randahl

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                  #35

                  @martijn @om @randahl Because Trump doesn't have the memory retention to recognize revenge if it takes more than a single news cycle to materialize! Which means he won't be deterred, so he'll escalate.

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                  • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                    @martijn @om @randahl Because Trump doesn't have the memory retention to recognize revenge if it takes more than a single news cycle to materialize! Which means he won't be deterred, so he'll escalate.

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                    #36

                    @cstross yeah, ok. fair point. @om @randahl

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                    • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                      When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                      Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                      Hit those Zuckerbergs.

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                      #37

                      @randahl

                      If Trump is seriously threatened by EU sanctions, especially those sanction effect the tech sector, he has the option of switching Europe off.

                      He can switch off at will any European or EU government or agency selectively. He can shut down any company or group of companies.

                      Literally, those organisations would switch on their computers and nothing would work. Or he could just shut down access to data. Or flight bookings. Or whatever he and the technokings decide.

                      https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/11/19/nicolas-guillou-french-icc-judge-sanctioned-by-the-us-you-are-effectively-blacklisted-by-much-of-the-world-s-banking-system_6747628_4.html

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                      • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                        When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                        Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                        Hit those Zuckerbergs.

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                        #38

                        @randahl

                        Amazon, has local warehousing and employs a lot of people in EU so difficult.

                        Reduce purchases as far as possible is my course.

                        I refuse to touch Facebook.

                        Paypal is now offering me 10 Euro bonus if I use it again, nope.

                        I badly want a decent European alternative. Not ripoff merchants Klarna.

                        For purchases in Sweden I was able to get a wise payment accepted by Klensmide.

                        That is the forge of Hans Karlsson one of the best toolsmiths on the planet and absolutely trustworthy.

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                        • gbargoud@masto.nycG gbargoud@masto.nyc

                          @randahl @singlepenny

                          @pluralistic has a bunch of suggestions about removing all of the laws protecting devices from being jail broken that the US has bullied pretty much every country into adding to their books as a start

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                          #39

                          @gbargoud @randahl @singlepenny @pluralistic that is naive. The Europeans also have their own copyright lobbies, which are if anything even more rabid than US ones.

                          Just one example: France has a levy on all storage devices, funneled directly into the pockets of copyright collection agency SACEM. Thus the SD card in your digicam or the database drives in your hospital are taxed to fund Nicolas Sarkozy's wife Carla Bruni or Taylor Swift (with a hefty commission taken by the self-dealing scum at SACEM, of course).

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                          • fazalmajid@social.vivaldi.netF fazalmajid@social.vivaldi.net

                            @gbargoud @randahl @singlepenny @pluralistic that is naive. The Europeans also have their own copyright lobbies, which are if anything even more rabid than US ones.

                            Just one example: France has a levy on all storage devices, funneled directly into the pockets of copyright collection agency SACEM. Thus the SD card in your digicam or the database drives in your hospital are taxed to fund Nicolas Sarkozy's wife Carla Bruni or Taylor Swift (with a hefty commission taken by the self-dealing scum at SACEM, of course).

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                            #40

                            @fazalmajid @gbargoud @randahl @singlepenny

                            The EU also has a gigantic fossil fuel lobby who entirely and 100% ate shit the minute the Russian gas went away and everyone started shivering in the dark.

                            Having spent years in Brussels (and in Geneva, at WIPO) as EFF's European Director, directly fighting these lobbyists, I think it's entirely plausible that they, too, will have to eat shit the instant that Trump bricks all of Denmark's IT.

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                            • pluralistic@mamot.frP pluralistic@mamot.fr

                              @fazalmajid @gbargoud @randahl @singlepenny

                              The EU also has a gigantic fossil fuel lobby who entirely and 100% ate shit the minute the Russian gas went away and everyone started shivering in the dark.

                              Having spent years in Brussels (and in Geneva, at WIPO) as EFF's European Director, directly fighting these lobbyists, I think it's entirely plausible that they, too, will have to eat shit the instant that Trump bricks all of Denmark's IT.

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                              #41

                              @fazalmajid @gbargoud @randahl @singlepenny If you think that copyright lobbyists have special powers that make them more able to resist the changes precipitated by existential crises than *oil* lobbyists, well, let's just say I think you're wrong.

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                              • pluralistic@mamot.frP pluralistic@mamot.fr

                                @fazalmajid @gbargoud @randahl @singlepenny If you think that copyright lobbyists have special powers that make them more able to resist the changes precipitated by existential crises than *oil* lobbyists, well, let's just say I think you're wrong.

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                                #42

                                @pluralistic @gbargoud @randahl @singlepenny well, in the French case, they were literally in bed with the president...

                                I hope you're right, but they have been in the lobbying game for a very long time (Beaumarchais, 1777) and even though entertainment is an economically marginal industry (at one point the Telcos made more from 2 weeks' SMS revenue than Hollywood did in an entire year), the star power means it is also the tail that wags the dog.

                                The fossil fuel lobby has managed to gut the EU 2035 ICE car ban, by the way, even though that guarantees the eventual death of the European car industry. Also, Germany shut down nuclear plants to restart coal-fired ones, so I wouldn't declare victory on that front just yet.

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                                • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                                  When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                                  Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                                  Hit those Zuckerbergs.

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                                  #43

                                  @randahl

                                  https://m.youtube.com/shorts/2y08mTiWOkU

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                                  • reggiehere@mastodon.socialR reggiehere@mastodon.social

                                    @Ilka4You @randahl

                                    Permanent and irreplaceable dependency is a rentseeker's wet dream.

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                                    #44

                                    @ReggieHere every single one of us is responsible for not making this wet dream come true. We would create a 1984 / Matrix dystopia mash up. @randahl

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                                    • carsten@minnesotasocial.netC carsten@minnesotasocial.net

                                      @randahl and maybe small action for everyone... Download and share to other social media... Have your kids make a tiktok...

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                                      #45

                                      @carsten @randahl
                                      Shouldn't be a problem - haven't eaten there in years.

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                                      • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                                        When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                                        Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                                        Hit those Zuckerbergs.

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                                        #46

                                        @randahl Not tarrifs: appropriate taxation, that is not removed later in some stupid capitulation

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                                        • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                                          When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                                          Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                                          Hit those Zuckerbergs.

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                                          #47

                                          @randahl The Danes could simply decide to not sell the USA any more Ozempic (or reduce it by 90%, leaving legitimate medical need untouched - same for all the insulin they sell to the USA).
                                          See how loudly people start screaming to the government for their GLP-1

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