Linus Torvalds shares his thoughts on Anti-AI coding rules on Linux mailing list.
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Linus Torvalds shares his thoughts on Anti-AI coding rules on Linux mailing list.
https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=whTs09_ozN+e09GU68N1wPP56MUzDjrg9rnKxQUa0A_4Q@mail.gmail.com/
He is doubling down on AI. This will come back to bite him. He thinks people using LLMs for coding are actually checking their work
Code reviewers are just rubber stamping PRs. Nobody in their right mind can look at 100s of PRs per day &d manually go through them especially since they don't even know if they'll have a IT job left at the end of the day. It's a race to the bottom now@nixCraft unfortunately linux (the kernel, not the operating system) is causa perduta atm. I just hope for something new.
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Linus Torvalds shares his thoughts on Anti-AI coding rules on Linux mailing list.
https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=whTs09_ozN+e09GU68N1wPP56MUzDjrg9rnKxQUa0A_4Q@mail.gmail.com/
He is doubling down on AI. This will come back to bite him. He thinks people using LLMs for coding are actually checking their work
Code reviewers are just rubber stamping PRs. Nobody in their right mind can look at 100s of PRs per day &d manually go through them especially since they don't even know if they'll have a IT job left at the end of the day. It's a race to the bottom nowWhilst it's true I've had some good conversations with Linus I don't agree with his ideas about AI. Come back to bite him ? Yes. I've started to cal him Baldy Baldy...
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Linus Torvalds shares his thoughts on Anti-AI coding rules on Linux mailing list.
https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=whTs09_ozN+e09GU68N1wPP56MUzDjrg9rnKxQUa0A_4Q@mail.gmail.com/
He is doubling down on AI. This will come back to bite him. He thinks people using LLMs for coding are actually checking their work
Code reviewers are just rubber stamping PRs. Nobody in their right mind can look at 100s of PRs per day &d manually go through them especially since they don't even know if they'll have a IT job left at the end of the day. It's a race to the bottom now@nixCraft It's sad to see a once-brilliant mind get taken in by this crap. Especially when it has effects on others.
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Linus Torvalds shares his thoughts on Anti-AI coding rules on Linux mailing list.
https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=whTs09_ozN+e09GU68N1wPP56MUzDjrg9rnKxQUa0A_4Q@mail.gmail.com/
He is doubling down on AI. This will come back to bite him. He thinks people using LLMs for coding are actually checking their work
Code reviewers are just rubber stamping PRs. Nobody in their right mind can look at 100s of PRs per day &d manually go through them especially since they don't even know if they'll have a IT job left at the end of the day. It's a race to the bottom nowSigh. Guess it's time to start playing with the BSDs again, "just in case"?
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Linus Torvalds shares his thoughts on Anti-AI coding rules on Linux mailing list.
https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=whTs09_ozN+e09GU68N1wPP56MUzDjrg9rnKxQUa0A_4Q@mail.gmail.com/
He is doubling down on AI. This will come back to bite him. He thinks people using LLMs for coding are actually checking their work
Code reviewers are just rubber stamping PRs. Nobody in their right mind can look at 100s of PRs per day &d manually go through them especially since they don't even know if they'll have a IT job left at the end of the day. It's a race to the bottom now@nixCraft seems there are predominantly two types of people who love going all in on LLMs
* people who can't do a thing, who see them as somehow democratising a skill they haven't the time, energy or patience to learn (and so cannot meaningfully review the output)
* people who (now) hate the work they do (and so will not meaningfully review the output)
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Linus Torvalds shares his thoughts on Anti-AI coding rules on Linux mailing list.
https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=whTs09_ozN+e09GU68N1wPP56MUzDjrg9rnKxQUa0A_4Q@mail.gmail.com/
He is doubling down on AI. This will come back to bite him. He thinks people using LLMs for coding are actually checking their work
Code reviewers are just rubber stamping PRs. Nobody in their right mind can look at 100s of PRs per day &d manually go through them especially since they don't even know if they'll have a IT job left at the end of the day. It's a race to the bottom now@nixCraft Isn't Linus famously against debuggers? Seems like a double standard to embrace a word guessing machine when he's been stuck in the past for decades.
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Linus Torvalds shares his thoughts on Anti-AI coding rules on Linux mailing list.
https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=whTs09_ozN+e09GU68N1wPP56MUzDjrg9rnKxQUa0A_4Q@mail.gmail.com/
He is doubling down on AI. This will come back to bite him. He thinks people using LLMs for coding are actually checking their work
Code reviewers are just rubber stamping PRs. Nobody in their right mind can look at 100s of PRs per day &d manually go through them especially since they don't even know if they'll have a IT job left at the end of the day. It's a race to the bottom now@nixCraft I think it is scary when someone at that level makes false comparisons between a compiler and an LLM.
He's loves his "I'm just an engineer; I just build tools" philosophy. Surely he should know that not all tools are the same.Both "asbestos" and "mineral-wool" stop fire, but one is EXCEPTIONALLY more dangerous to humans than the other.
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Linus Torvalds shares his thoughts on Anti-AI coding rules on Linux mailing list.
https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=whTs09_ozN+e09GU68N1wPP56MUzDjrg9rnKxQUa0A_4Q@mail.gmail.com/
He is doubling down on AI. This will come back to bite him. He thinks people using LLMs for coding are actually checking their work
Code reviewers are just rubber stamping PRs. Nobody in their right mind can look at 100s of PRs per day &d manually go through them especially since they don't even know if they'll have a IT job left at the end of the day. It's a race to the bottom now@nixCraft He is being quite clear that the opposition isn't "intelligent."
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Sigh. Guess it's time to start playing with the BSDs again, "just in case"?
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Linus Torvalds shares his thoughts on Anti-AI coding rules on Linux mailing list.
https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=whTs09_ozN+e09GU68N1wPP56MUzDjrg9rnKxQUa0A_4Q@mail.gmail.com/
He is doubling down on AI. This will come back to bite him. He thinks people using LLMs for coding are actually checking their work
Code reviewers are just rubber stamping PRs. Nobody in their right mind can look at 100s of PRs per day &d manually go through them especially since they don't even know if they'll have a IT job left at the end of the day. It's a race to the bottom now@nixCraft At least, the editor is not destroying the Internet and the environment while stealing intellectual property from small creators…
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Just so you know. Linus who is adopting AI tools. Here is how it is going right now. Linus Torvalds let Claude Code fix the Linux page cache. Then reviewers found a race https://thenewstack.io/torvalds-claude-code-kernel/
@nixCraft AI code assistance is best for mondaine tasks, like boiler plate code, solutions used by many programmers, like the stuff you can find on stack exchange and friends. It is less useful for very mathematical issues. At least this is my impression. Most likely, Claude could create my Python code faster than I do, but I usually don't know what I want to build.
I would love to see studies on how well these tools perform with code close to machine hardware.
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Just so you know. Linus who is adopting AI tools. Here is how it is going right now. Linus Torvalds let Claude Code fix the Linux page cache. Then reviewers found a race https://thenewstack.io/torvalds-claude-code-kernel/
@nixCraft Idk how Linus uses AI. I hate AI, but sometimes is kinda useful ONLY IF it's used locally hosted, like with Ollama.
I'm more concerned about environmental impact than stealing knowledge, although both are major concerns
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Linus Torvalds shares his thoughts on Anti-AI coding rules on Linux mailing list.
https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=whTs09_ozN+e09GU68N1wPP56MUzDjrg9rnKxQUa0A_4Q@mail.gmail.com/
He is doubling down on AI. This will come back to bite him. He thinks people using LLMs for coding are actually checking their work
Code reviewers are just rubber stamping PRs. Nobody in their right mind can look at 100s of PRs per day &d manually go through them especially since they don't even know if they'll have a IT job left at the end of the day. It's a race to the bottom nowWhen I look at the general situation of things, I get the urge to take cover and move to the fringe of everything. Mostly by relying less on and using less technology. Feeding the machine and the system as little as possible. Preparing for bad times. We are all witnessing a massive and widespread failure of elites on all levels.
(And I actually get Linus' point, the overt and the subtext, but it's centrist talk.)
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@nixCraft Idk how Linus uses AI. I hate AI, but sometimes is kinda useful ONLY IF it's used locally hosted, like with Ollama.
I'm more concerned about environmental impact than stealing knowledge, although both are major concerns
@epistomai there are better tools than ollama for local AI. https://sleepingrobots.com/dreams/stop-using-ollama/ explains why.
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@nixCraft Idk how Linus uses AI. I hate AI, but sometimes is kinda useful ONLY IF it's used locally hosted, like with Ollama.
I'm more concerned about environmental impact than stealing knowledge, although both are major concerns
It is not the locality that is of primary importance (though it is certainly important, just not primarily so); what is important is that the model is licensed under a free (libre) license.
- my opinion
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Linus Torvalds shares his thoughts on Anti-AI coding rules on Linux mailing list.
https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=whTs09_ozN+e09GU68N1wPP56MUzDjrg9rnKxQUa0A_4Q@mail.gmail.com/
He is doubling down on AI. This will come back to bite him. He thinks people using LLMs for coding are actually checking their work
Code reviewers are just rubber stamping PRs. Nobody in their right mind can look at 100s of PRs per day &d manually go through them especially since they don't even know if they'll have a IT job left at the end of the day. It's a race to the bottom now@nixCraft I use AI to scan my code and to compile apps. Does that mean I don't know the code? Nope. I just know it takes AI 30 seconds what takes me three days.
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Just so you know. Linus who is adopting AI tools. Here is how it is going right now. Linus Torvalds let Claude Code fix the Linux page cache. Then reviewers found a race https://thenewstack.io/torvalds-claude-code-kernel/
@nixCraft Does Linus have a girlfriend named, “Claudia” perchance?
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Linus Torvalds shares his thoughts on Anti-AI coding rules on Linux mailing list.
https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=whTs09_ozN+e09GU68N1wPP56MUzDjrg9rnKxQUa0A_4Q@mail.gmail.com/
He is doubling down on AI. This will come back to bite him. He thinks people using LLMs for coding are actually checking their work
Code reviewers are just rubber stamping PRs. Nobody in their right mind can look at 100s of PRs per day &d manually go through them especially since they don't even know if they'll have a IT job left at the end of the day. It's a race to the bottom now@nixCraft I can’t find the post but someone pointed out recently that LLMs are not like compilers. With a compiler you generate a disposable artifact that you can reliably recreate from the input source. With LLMs you discard the input prompt and keep the output, and running the same prompt twice will generate different results. This is an infuriating stance given how much of the last decade I’ve dedicated to making reliable deterministic build pipelines.
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Linus Torvalds shares his thoughts on Anti-AI coding rules on Linux mailing list.
https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=whTs09_ozN+e09GU68N1wPP56MUzDjrg9rnKxQUa0A_4Q@mail.gmail.com/
He is doubling down on AI. This will come back to bite him. He thinks people using LLMs for coding are actually checking their work
Code reviewers are just rubber stamping PRs. Nobody in their right mind can look at 100s of PRs per day &d manually go through them especially since they don't even know if they'll have a IT job left at the end of the day. It's a race to the bottom now@nixCraft there's hope that Claude suggests rewriting the kernel in C++.
