Hi everyone,
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@print The people who keep pointing fingers at me for not adding ALT text to all my photos are the same people who never use capitals (camel case) in their hashtags.
️Yeah, I haven't had thise people for a while, they don't seem to have a problem with my posts anymore, because they are blocked.
People are free to use Mastodon etc how they want. People forget, have other stuff going on or trying to do stuff on phone keyboards. And that is ok. Been there myself.
This instance has a large amount of new people, so trying to educate and make it a normal. Which encourages others to use camel case and alt text as the default.
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Hi everyone,
If you are using hastags with multiple words, please use camel case.
Not #likethisexample
Why?
A) Screen readers will see a bunch of letters that doesn't make one word and read out each individual letter. Which makes it hard to understand.
B) For us sighted people, it is also easier to read.
Thanks you
@print
OP was slightly ambiguous on A).. So do screen readers understand upper camel case and read out the words nicely? If not then are you indirectly saying it changes nothing for them? -
Hi everyone,
If you are using hastags with multiple words, please use camel case.
Not #likethisexample
Why?
A) Screen readers will see a bunch of letters that doesn't make one word and read out each individual letter. Which makes it hard to understand.
B) For us sighted people, it is also easier to read.
Thanks you
B for me. Camel case pleases my #ConanTheGrammarian instincts as opposed to the #horriblesplurgeoflowercase abominations.
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Hi everyone,
If you are using hastags with multiple words, please use camel case.
Not #likethisexample
Why?
A) Screen readers will see a bunch of letters that doesn't make one word and read out each individual letter. Which makes it hard to understand.
B) For us sighted people, it is also easier to read.
Thanks you
Agreed
Depending on the instance you're on this likely *Does* require purposeful intent though..
I.E. people are being tricked into "doing the wrong thing" by the auto complete popups (for hashtags) that are supplied from their instance's server(s)
"The system" defaults to showing you "auto complete" hashtags and the auto complete versions are almost always in lower case. So, if someone selects the system supplied suggestion.. they get "the bad result"
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Hi everyone,
If you are using hastags with multiple words, please use camel case.
Not #likethisexample
Why?
A) Screen readers will see a bunch of letters that doesn't make one word and read out each individual letter. Which makes it hard to understand.
B) For us sighted people, it is also easier to read.
Thanks you
@print but camel case would actually be #likeThisExample
No caps on first letter.
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@print what does it do with snake case #are_these_read_as_separate_words ?
@ChuckMcManis @print
I tried it with iOS built in TTS. It can read it out ok.
Interestingly it can also read out the all lower case hashtag properly. Although with a slight change on stress in "example".
I guess you'd need to see what commonly used screen readers read out. -
@ChuckMcManis @print
I tried it with iOS built in TTS. It can read it out ok.
Interestingly it can also read out the all lower case hashtag properly. Although with a slight change on stress in "example".
I guess you'd need to see what commonly used screen readers read out.@ChuckMcManis @print
Also probably pure chance. It didn't really cope with @alice 's examples. -
Hi everyone,
If you are using hastags with multiple words, please use camel case.
Not #likethisexample
Why?
A) Screen readers will see a bunch of letters that doesn't make one word and read out each individual letter. Which makes it hard to understand.
B) For us sighted people, it is also easier to read.
Thanks you
@print I think you won't find a single post without camel case hashtags in my profile
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Tusky tries to do the same. Have to force it.
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Hi everyone,
If you are using hastags with multiple words, please use camel case.
Not #likethisexample
Why?
A) Screen readers will see a bunch of letters that doesn't make one word and read out each individual letter. Which makes it hard to understand.
B) For us sighted people, it is also easier to read.
Thanks you
And if you're wondering "Why not #snake_case_hashtags though? They work just as well."
Yeah, they even work better since you can capitalize letters and single-letter words don't make it weird, but you will never convince the majority to switch, so just give up and join them.
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Hi everyone,
If you are using hastags with multiple words, please use camel case.
Not #likethisexample
Why?
A) Screen readers will see a bunch of letters that doesn't make one word and read out each individual letter. Which makes it hard to understand.
B) For us sighted people, it is also easier to read.
Thanks you
@print ah, sorry, I had been originally misinformed that #'s worked best all in lower case.. I will try rewire my behaviour!
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@print and it avoids issues like #lovescats or #susanalbumparty
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J jwcph@helvede.net shared this topic
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Hi everyone,
If you are using hastags with multiple words, please use camel case.
Not #likethisexample
Why?
A) Screen readers will see a bunch of letters that doesn't make one word and read out each individual letter. Which makes it hard to understand.
B) For us sighted people, it is also easier to read.
Thanks you
@print good for instance moderators also to keep in mind, when you're moderating trending hashtags
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B for me. Camel case pleases my #ConanTheGrammarian instincts as opposed to the #horriblesplurgeoflowercase abominations.
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medial capitals:
Pascal case = upper camel case
There is also dormadary or lower camel case.
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@crabby
Wikipedia calls the example as Pascal case or upper camel case.Your example with initial lower case is a example of lower camel case or dromedary case.
I guess we are both correct and I have learnt something.
Either way is better than all lowercase.
Technically it is camelCase and PascalCase, yeah, but:
- CamelCase is pretty self-evident, where PascalCase relies on obscure programming language trivia to even begin making sense.
- It'll require WAY more explanation to understand the difference between camelCase and PascalCase, and even that there is a difference, than getting the point of CamelCase.
- For this CamelCase is actually preferred to camelCase.
- We're discussing ACCESSIBILITY, not programming conventions and history. And making that distinction is about as inaccessible as it gets. 🥴
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Take this for somebody with quite a pedant vein as well: just say/use CamelCase and forget the mess, being "correct" here is of no use.
Or consider camelCase and CamelCase different words, if it helps.
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Hi everyone,
If you are using hastags with multiple words, please use camel case.
Not #likethisexample
Why?
A) Screen readers will see a bunch of letters that doesn't make one word and read out each individual letter. Which makes it hard to understand.
B) For us sighted people, it is also easier to read.
Thanks you
@print Thank you, I didn't know that it would make it easier for screenreaders.
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Technically it is camelCase and PascalCase, yeah, but:
- CamelCase is pretty self-evident, where PascalCase relies on obscure programming language trivia to even begin making sense.
- It'll require WAY more explanation to understand the difference between camelCase and PascalCase, and even that there is a difference, than getting the point of CamelCase.
- For this CamelCase is actually preferred to camelCase.
- We're discussing ACCESSIBILITY, not programming conventions and history. And making that distinction is about as inaccessible as it gets. 🥴
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Take this for somebody with quite a pedant vein as well: just say/use CamelCase and forget the mess, being "correct" here is of no use.
Or consider camelCase and CamelCase different words, if it helps.
@yenndc @crabby
"The earliest use of the name "Camel Case" occurs in 1995, in a post by Newton Love. "With the advent of programming languages having these sorts of constructs, the humpiness of the style made me call it HumpyCase at first, before I settled on CamelCase. I had been calling it CamelCase for years. ... The citation above was just the first time I had used the name on USENET."[
The term "Pascal Case" was coined in design discussions for the .NET Framework, first released in 2002 -
I've always been a fan of #UpperCamelCase and #lowerCamelCase (with camel case just meaning either one depending on context) since those are way more self evident terms
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@yenndc @crabby
"The earliest use of the name "Camel Case" occurs in 1995, in a post by Newton Love. "With the advent of programming languages having these sorts of constructs, the humpiness of the style made me call it HumpyCase at first, before I settled on CamelCase. I had been calling it CamelCase for years. ... The citation above was just the first time I had used the name on USENET."[
The term "Pascal Case" was coined in design discussions for the .NET Framework, first released in 2002
