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  • P print@theforkiverse.com

    Hi everyone,

    If you are using hastags with multiple words, please use camel case.

    #LikeThisExample

    Not #likethisexample

    Why?

    A) Screen readers will see a bunch of letters that doesn't make one word and read out each individual letter. Which makes it hard to understand.

    B) For us sighted people, it is also easier to read.

    Thanks you

    #TheForkiverse

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    #18

    @print
    OP was slightly ambiguous on A).. So do screen readers understand upper camel case and read out the words nicely? If not then are you indirectly saying it changes nothing for them?

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    • P print@theforkiverse.com

      Hi everyone,

      If you are using hastags with multiple words, please use camel case.

      #LikeThisExample

      Not #likethisexample

      Why?

      A) Screen readers will see a bunch of letters that doesn't make one word and read out each individual letter. Which makes it hard to understand.

      B) For us sighted people, it is also easier to read.

      Thanks you

      #TheForkiverse

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      #19

      @print

      B for me. Camel case pleases my #ConanTheGrammarian instincts as opposed to the #horriblesplurgeoflowercase abominations.

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      • P print@theforkiverse.com

        Hi everyone,

        If you are using hastags with multiple words, please use camel case.

        #LikeThisExample

        Not #likethisexample

        Why?

        A) Screen readers will see a bunch of letters that doesn't make one word and read out each individual letter. Which makes it hard to understand.

        B) For us sighted people, it is also easier to read.

        Thanks you

        #TheForkiverse

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        #20

        @print

        Agreed

        Depending on the instance you're on this likely *Does* require purposeful intent though..

        I.E. people are being tricked into "doing the wrong thing" by the auto complete popups (for hashtags) that are supplied from their instance's server(s)

        "The system" defaults to showing you "auto complete" hashtags and the auto complete versions are almost always in lower case. So, if someone selects the system supplied suggestion.. they get "the bad result"

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        • P print@theforkiverse.com

          Hi everyone,

          If you are using hastags with multiple words, please use camel case.

          #LikeThisExample

          Not #likethisexample

          Why?

          A) Screen readers will see a bunch of letters that doesn't make one word and read out each individual letter. Which makes it hard to understand.

          B) For us sighted people, it is also easier to read.

          Thanks you

          #TheForkiverse

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          #21

          @print but camel case would actually be #likeThisExample

          No caps on first letter.

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          • chuckmcmanis@chaos.socialC chuckmcmanis@chaos.social

            @print what does it do with snake case #are_these_read_as_separate_words ?

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            #22

            @ChuckMcManis @print
            I tried it with iOS built in TTS. It can read it out ok.
            Interestingly it can also read out the all lower case hashtag properly. Although with a slight change on stress in "example".
            I guess you'd need to see what commonly used screen readers read out.

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            • shiawase@mastodon.socialS shiawase@mastodon.social

              @ChuckMcManis @print
              I tried it with iOS built in TTS. It can read it out ok.
              Interestingly it can also read out the all lower case hashtag properly. Although with a slight change on stress in "example".
              I guess you'd need to see what commonly used screen readers read out.

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              #23

              @ChuckMcManis @print
              Also probably pure chance. It didn't really cope with @alice 's examples.

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              • P print@theforkiverse.com

                Hi everyone,

                If you are using hastags with multiple words, please use camel case.

                #LikeThisExample

                Not #likethisexample

                Why?

                A) Screen readers will see a bunch of letters that doesn't make one word and read out each individual letter. Which makes it hard to understand.

                B) For us sighted people, it is also easier to read.

                Thanks you

                #TheForkiverse

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                #24

                @print I think you won't find a single post without camel case hashtags in my profile 😉

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                • P print@theforkiverse.com

                  @d1

                  Tusky tries to do the same. Have to force it.

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                  #25

                  @print @d1 it depends on what the server offers as continuation which is apparently the first version the server has seen.

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                  • P print@theforkiverse.com

                    Hi everyone,

                    If you are using hastags with multiple words, please use camel case.

                    #LikeThisExample

                    Not #likethisexample

                    Why?

                    A) Screen readers will see a bunch of letters that doesn't make one word and read out each individual letter. Which makes it hard to understand.

                    B) For us sighted people, it is also easier to read.

                    Thanks you

                    #TheForkiverse

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                    #26

                    And if you're wondering "Why not #snake_case_hashtags though? They work just as well."
                    Yeah, they even work better since you can capitalize letters and single-letter words don't make it weird, but you will never convince the majority to switch, so just give up and join them. 😛

                    @print

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                    • P print@theforkiverse.com

                      Hi everyone,

                      If you are using hastags with multiple words, please use camel case.

                      #LikeThisExample

                      Not #likethisexample

                      Why?

                      A) Screen readers will see a bunch of letters that doesn't make one word and read out each individual letter. Which makes it hard to understand.

                      B) For us sighted people, it is also easier to read.

                      Thanks you

                      #TheForkiverse

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                      #27

                      @print ah, sorry, I had been originally misinformed that #'s worked best all in lower case.. I will try rewire my behaviour!

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                      • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                        @print and it avoids issues like #lovescats or #susanalbumparty

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                        #28

                        @alice

                        I also hate seeing people write text where every other word is a hashtag, as it makes text illegible and goodness knows how that comes across in text readers!

                        Far better to put them right at the foot of a post!

                        @print

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                        • P print@theforkiverse.com

                          Hi everyone,

                          If you are using hastags with multiple words, please use camel case.

                          #LikeThisExample

                          Not #likethisexample

                          Why?

                          A) Screen readers will see a bunch of letters that doesn't make one word and read out each individual letter. Which makes it hard to understand.

                          B) For us sighted people, it is also easier to read.

                          Thanks you

                          #TheForkiverse

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                          #29

                          @print good for instance moderators also to keep in mind, when you're moderating trending hashtags 🙂

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                          • riggbeck@mastodon.socialR riggbeck@mastodon.social

                            @print

                            B for me. Camel case pleases my #ConanTheGrammarian instincts as opposed to the #horriblesplurgeoflowercase abominations.

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                            #30

                            @riggbeck @print

                            A pedant writes...

                            thisIsCamelCase and
                            ThisIsPascalCase.

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                            • walrus@toot.walesW walrus@toot.wales

                              @riggbeck @print

                              A pedant writes...

                              thisIsCamelCase and
                              ThisIsPascalCase.

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                              print@theforkiverse.com
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                              #31

                              @Walrus @riggbeck

                              medial capitals:

                              Pascal case = upper camel case

                              There is also dormadary or lower camel case.

                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camel_case

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                              • P print@theforkiverse.com

                                @crabby
                                Wikipedia calls the example as Pascal case or upper camel case.

                                Your example with initial lower case is a example of lower camel case or dromedary case.

                                I guess we are both correct and I have learnt something.

                                Either way is better than all lowercase.

                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camel_case

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                                #32

                                @print
                                @crabby

                                Technically it is camelCase and PascalCase, yeah, but:

                                - CamelCase is pretty self-evident, where PascalCase relies on obscure programming language trivia to even begin making sense.

                                - It'll require WAY more explanation to understand the difference between camelCase and PascalCase, and even that there is a difference, than getting the point of CamelCase.

                                - For this CamelCase is actually preferred to camelCase.

                                - We're discussing ACCESSIBILITY, not programming conventions and history. And making that distinction is about as inaccessible as it gets. 🥴

                                ·

                                Take this for somebody with quite a pedant vein as well: just say/use CamelCase and forget the mess, being "correct" here is of no use.

                                Or consider camelCase and CamelCase different words, if it helps. 😜

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                                • P print@theforkiverse.com

                                  Hi everyone,

                                  If you are using hastags with multiple words, please use camel case.

                                  #LikeThisExample

                                  Not #likethisexample

                                  Why?

                                  A) Screen readers will see a bunch of letters that doesn't make one word and read out each individual letter. Which makes it hard to understand.

                                  B) For us sighted people, it is also easier to read.

                                  Thanks you

                                  #TheForkiverse

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                                  #33

                                  @print Thank you, I didn't know that it would make it easier for screenreaders.

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                                  • yenndc@kolektiva.socialY yenndc@kolektiva.social

                                    @print
                                    @crabby

                                    Technically it is camelCase and PascalCase, yeah, but:

                                    - CamelCase is pretty self-evident, where PascalCase relies on obscure programming language trivia to even begin making sense.

                                    - It'll require WAY more explanation to understand the difference between camelCase and PascalCase, and even that there is a difference, than getting the point of CamelCase.

                                    - For this CamelCase is actually preferred to camelCase.

                                    - We're discussing ACCESSIBILITY, not programming conventions and history. And making that distinction is about as inaccessible as it gets. 🥴

                                    ·

                                    Take this for somebody with quite a pedant vein as well: just say/use CamelCase and forget the mess, being "correct" here is of no use.

                                    Or consider camelCase and CamelCase different words, if it helps. 😜

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                                    #34

                                    @yenndc @crabby
                                    "The earliest use of the name "Camel Case" occurs in 1995, in a post by Newton Love. "With the advent of programming languages having these sorts of constructs, the humpiness of the style made me call it HumpyCase at first, before I settled on CamelCase. I had been calling it CamelCase for years. ... The citation above was just the first time I had used the name on USENET."[
                                    The term "Pascal Case" was coined in design discussions for the .NET Framework, first released in 2002

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                                    • crabby@mastodon.worldC crabby@mastodon.world

                                      @print

                                      I always thought it was

                                      #camelCase

                                      and your example was

                                      #PascalCase ?

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                                      #35

                                      @crabby @print

                                      I've always been a fan of #UpperCamelCase and #lowerCamelCase (with camel case just meaning either one depending on context) since those are way more self evident terms

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                                      • P print@theforkiverse.com

                                        @yenndc @crabby
                                        "The earliest use of the name "Camel Case" occurs in 1995, in a post by Newton Love. "With the advent of programming languages having these sorts of constructs, the humpiness of the style made me call it HumpyCase at first, before I settled on CamelCase. I had been calling it CamelCase for years. ... The citation above was just the first time I had used the name on USENET."[
                                        The term "Pascal Case" was coined in design discussions for the .NET Framework, first released in 2002

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                                        #36

                                        @print
                                        @crabby

                                        Even more reason for CamelCase then! ^~

                                        Pretty sure both of them are older; but since I have no reference to back it up I'll just leave it there. :3

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                                        • P print@theforkiverse.com

                                          Hi everyone,

                                          If you are using hastags with multiple words, please use camel case.

                                          #LikeThisExample

                                          Not #likethisexample

                                          Why?

                                          A) Screen readers will see a bunch of letters that doesn't make one word and read out each individual letter. Which makes it hard to understand.

                                          B) For us sighted people, it is also easier to read.

                                          Thanks you

                                          #TheForkiverse

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                                          #37

                                          @print Do the tags get listed as different if using caps?

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