The #forkiverse seems like a good model for expanding the fediverse: instances based on existing audiences.
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The #forkiverse seems like a good model for expanding the fediverse: instances based on existing audiences.
Hear me out. Fanbases have an automatic sense of community. They are more likely to be politically/culturally similar. Users already like the admin (e.g. the podcast host). The admin can’t be a tyrant, because the users are also their audience.
And there’s that last hard-to-describe ingredient. That sense of energy and momentum. “Hey, come join, we’re starting something together!”
Another thought: I suspect decision fatigue is a big barrier to entry to the fediverse. The instance you choose says something about you, and the kinds of people you associate with.
But if you’ve already decided that you like Normal Gossip or Planet Money (or whatever), that’s an easier decision to make.
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The #forkiverse seems like a good model for expanding the fediverse: instances based on existing audiences.
Hear me out. Fanbases have an automatic sense of community. They are more likely to be politically/culturally similar. Users already like the admin (e.g. the podcast host). The admin can’t be a tyrant, because the users are also their audience.
And there’s that last hard-to-describe ingredient. That sense of energy and momentum. “Hey, come join, we’re starting something together!”
@Zoonpolitikon yeah, yeah... FEED HIM TO THE TROLLS!!!
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@Zoonpolitikon I do worry about how it's going to be sustained when the hosting money runs out or moderating it expands beyond the capacity or time of the admins, but I'm finding it fascinating to watch this experiment and I hope it succeeds. It does seem to have brought some great people in
@afewbugs For governance, I wonder if the best model is something like a constitutional monarchy. Everyone recognizes the sovereigns (they are the hosts after all), but day to day governance is managed by volunteer fans. And if those mods abuse their power, the host can step in and show them the door, lest they alienate their audience.
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@afewbugs For governance, I wonder if the best model is something like a constitutional monarchy. Everyone recognizes the sovereigns (they are the hosts after all), but day to day governance is managed by volunteer fans. And if those mods abuse their power, the host can step in and show them the door, lest they alienate their audience.
@Zoonpolitikon the instance I'm on is managed as a coop, all the admins and organisers are volunteers and voted for. Personally I think that's the best model to transfer to for long term sustainability because any individual person as an admin will eventually burn out if they have to take on most of the load indefinitely
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@Zoonpolitikon the instance I'm on is managed as a coop, all the admins and organisers are volunteers and voted for. Personally I think that's the best model to transfer to for long term sustainability because any individual person as an admin will eventually burn out if they have to take on most of the load indefinitely
@afewbugs I love co-ops and that does seem ideal. But I also want a less ideal option for normies who don’t want to make so many decisions. If joining an instance requires volunteer work and voting on governance, I worry that many potentially valuable users won’t bother.
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@afewbugs I love co-ops and that does seem ideal. But I also want a less ideal option for normies who don’t want to make so many decisions. If joining an instance requires volunteer work and voting on governance, I worry that many potentially valuable users won’t bother.
@Zoonpolitikon that's a fair point. I do think the load needs to be shared a bit beyond one designated though, perhaps a paid moderation service under the host's vague direction as someone suggested in another branch of this conversation (although that then raises the issue of where the money to pay for that service comes from). I don't think something based around a single person has long term sustainably though because they might get exhausted, lose interest, get hit by a bus etc
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@Zoonpolitikon that's a fair point. I do think the load needs to be shared a bit beyond one designated though, perhaps a paid moderation service under the host's vague direction as someone suggested in another branch of this conversation (although that then raises the issue of where the money to pay for that service comes from). I don't think something based around a single person has long term sustainably though because they might get exhausted, lose interest, get hit by a bus etc
@Zoonpolitikon as I understand it (and sorry I still haven't got around to listening to the podcast that brought everyone here, it's on my list I promise) everyone obviously has their own reasons for joining but it was mostly motivated by shared interest in an experiment into a different way of doing social media, rather than because of being fans of the podcast host themselves? Am I correct? I think a shared interest in an idea rather than a person is more likely to create a sustainable
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@Zoonpolitikon as I understand it (and sorry I still haven't got around to listening to the podcast that brought everyone here, it's on my list I promise) everyone obviously has their own reasons for joining but it was mostly motivated by shared interest in an experiment into a different way of doing social media, rather than because of being fans of the podcast host themselves? Am I correct? I think a shared interest in an idea rather than a person is more likely to create a sustainable
@Zoonpolitikon community in the long run, those more invested can step up to admin roles, those just along for the ride can just sit back and post pictures of their cats or whatever, but no one's vision is more important to the ongoing functioning of the instance than anyone else's
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The #forkiverse seems like a good model for expanding the fediverse: instances based on existing audiences.
Hear me out. Fanbases have an automatic sense of community. They are more likely to be politically/culturally similar. Users already like the admin (e.g. the podcast host). The admin can’t be a tyrant, because the users are also their audience.
And there’s that last hard-to-describe ingredient. That sense of energy and momentum. “Hey, come join, we’re starting something together!”
@Zoonpolitikon i’ve been here for quite a long time now, and this is exactly what i bring up as the killer feature that the fediverse has going for it. the way it can be a local community and a portal to a larger community at the same time
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The #forkiverse seems like a good model for expanding the fediverse: instances based on existing audiences.
Hear me out. Fanbases have an automatic sense of community. They are more likely to be politically/culturally similar. Users already like the admin (e.g. the podcast host). The admin can’t be a tyrant, because the users are also their audience.
And there’s that last hard-to-describe ingredient. That sense of energy and momentum. “Hey, come join, we’re starting something together!”
@Zoonpolitikon joining other social media used to be a connection to family and friends (now it’s just a place to be force fed ads and radicalized by weird forces). Maybe places like this can feel like “chosen family”, much like you do when you grow up and get away from dysfunctional family.
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