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  • wyliecoyoteuk@mastodon.org.ukW wyliecoyoteuk@mastodon.org.uk

    @nygl DNS and DHCP are fairly straightforward.
    AD is more involved, but basically it is based on LDAP.

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    #26

    @nygl There are open source alternatives for all of the Microslop services, in fact they were built on open source origins.
    Servers and desktop clients are also fairly easy to replace now.

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    • nygl@mastodon.socialN nygl@mastodon.social

      Does anyone make a document for dismantling Microsoft infrastructure in a medium sized organisation? Is it even possible? DNS, DHCP, AD, etc. Maybe a phased approach.

      Just out of theoretical interest.

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      #27

      @nygl https://grommunio.com/ sounds interesing, I learned about it from a friend but have no personal experience

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      • nygl@mastodon.socialN nygl@mastodon.social

        Does anyone make a document for dismantling Microsoft infrastructure in a medium sized organisation? Is it even possible? DNS, DHCP, AD, etc. Maybe a phased approach.

        Just out of theoretical interest.

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        #28

        @nygl @futzle Working on this right now

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        • nygl@mastodon.socialN nygl@mastodon.social

          Does anyone make a document for dismantling Microsoft infrastructure in a medium sized organisation? Is it even possible? DNS, DHCP, AD, etc. Maybe a phased approach.

          Just out of theoretical interest.

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          #29

          @nygl "Just out of theoretical interest" ... LMFAO.

          The Danish govt probably has docs like that. So does the German State of Schleswig-Holstein. I think Bavaria should at least have a Proof of Concept.

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          • nygl@mastodon.socialN nygl@mastodon.social

            Does anyone make a document for dismantling Microsoft infrastructure in a medium sized organisation? Is it even possible? DNS, DHCP, AD, etc. Maybe a phased approach.

            Just out of theoretical interest.

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            #30

            Noting I'm not in any way planning to undertake this task. I'm wondering how it would be done (yes I know some European entities have done it), particularly in the light of happenings in the US and people pondering moving away from US-based orgs.

            Seems the desktop and app component is the easy bit. An AD server is simply too convenient to install and get up and running. I thought there'd be an equivalent. Well, there was - it was called Mac OS X Server.

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            • aj@gts.sadauskas.id.auA aj@gts.sadauskas.id.au

              @nygl @cyberlyra I'd second Nextcloud, and would add Odoo https://www.odoo.com/ to the list of open source tools to look at for businesses looking to move off Microsoft.

              Odoo is basically a platform with a range of apps for managing just about every aspect of a business.

              And then for a Teams replacement, Nextcloud Talk, Mattermost (https://mattermost.com/), or Matrix/Element (https://matrix.org/) are all good options.

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              #31

              @aj @nygl @cyberlyra I had no idea odoo was OpenSource, I just saw YouTubers advertising it and threw it into the same scam-bucket as Raycon Earbuds et al

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              • auntyred@aus.socialA auntyred@aus.social

                @aj @nygl @cyberlyra I had no idea odoo was OpenSource, I just saw YouTubers advertising it and threw it into the same scam-bucket as Raycon Earbuds et al

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                #32

                @AuntyRed @nygl @cyberlyra Oh yeah, if you have YunoHost set up ( https://yunohost.org/ ) and search for LibreERP, that's basically Odoo.

                I even set up my own instance of it, because I can: https://erp.sadauskas.id.au/

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                • aj@gts.sadauskas.id.auA aj@gts.sadauskas.id.au

                  @nygl @cyberlyra I'd second Nextcloud, and would add Odoo https://www.odoo.com/ to the list of open source tools to look at for businesses looking to move off Microsoft.

                  Odoo is basically a platform with a range of apps for managing just about every aspect of a business.

                  And then for a Teams replacement, Nextcloud Talk, Mattermost (https://mattermost.com/), or Matrix/Element (https://matrix.org/) are all good options.

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                  #33
                  @aj @nygl @cyberlyra Just self host and stay away from Odoo hosting from Odoo. They're not exactly technically competent, or their incompetence is calculated to make them more money. Either way, it's a mess.
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                  • aj@gts.sadauskas.id.auA aj@gts.sadauskas.id.au

                    @nygl @cyberlyra I'd second Nextcloud, and would add Odoo https://www.odoo.com/ to the list of open source tools to look at for businesses looking to move off Microsoft.

                    Odoo is basically a platform with a range of apps for managing just about every aspect of a business.

                    And then for a Teams replacement, Nextcloud Talk, Mattermost (https://mattermost.com/), or Matrix/Element (https://matrix.org/) are all good options.

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                    #34

                    +100 to all this.

                    @aj do you have experience with the YUNOHOST Matrix install/bridge or Element install? I've tried to run it myself before and like many newcomers I gave up, but I'm a fan in principle and would like to see it have wider use...

                    @nygl

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                    • cyberlyra@hachyderm.ioC cyberlyra@hachyderm.io

                      +100 to all this.

                      @aj do you have experience with the YUNOHOST Matrix install/bridge or Element install? I've tried to run it myself before and like many newcomers I gave up, but I'm a fan in principle and would like to see it have wider use...

                      @nygl

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                      #35

                      @cyberlyra @aj Wow. Responses!!!

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                      • nygl@mastodon.socialN nygl@mastodon.social

                        @cyberlyra @aj Wow. Responses!!!

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                        #36

                        @nygl @aj lol so many responses!! I hope they're helpful. You can join us at Tech Reclaimers -- we have a Signal group and a Discord chat -- if you want to follow up or get help installing or help others too

                        (that goes for anyone else reading!)

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                        • cyberlyra@hachyderm.ioC cyberlyra@hachyderm.io

                          @nygl @aj lol so many responses!! I hope they're helpful. You can join us at Tech Reclaimers -- we have a Signal group and a Discord chat -- if you want to follow up or get help installing or help others too

                          (that goes for anyone else reading!)

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                          #37

                          @cyberlyra Ill try the Opt Out Project, but gosh I love my Apple services…

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                          • aj@gts.sadauskas.id.auA aj@gts.sadauskas.id.au

                            @AuntyRed @nygl @cyberlyra Oh yeah, if you have YunoHost set up ( https://yunohost.org/ ) and search for LibreERP, that's basically Odoo.

                            I even set up my own instance of it, because I can: https://erp.sadauskas.id.au/

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                            #38

                            @aj @nygl @cyberlyra neat! I've never looked into YunoHost before, but it looks like a cool concept

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                            • nygl@mastodon.socialN nygl@mastodon.social

                              @cyberlyra Ill try the Opt Out Project, but gosh I love my Apple services…

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                              #39

                              @nygl the thing about the opt out project is ... it's all about choice. you choose what you want to use and what you want to use it for. And also, you choose knowing that it's a much bigger option space than we're told, and that where you put your time and energy matters -- not because this is only a story about ethical consumption but because we are the ones being consumed, extracted from, and mined daily, and we can refuse that labor if we choose.

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                              • cyberlyra@hachyderm.ioC cyberlyra@hachyderm.io

                                @nygl the thing about the opt out project is ... it's all about choice. you choose what you want to use and what you want to use it for. And also, you choose knowing that it's a much bigger option space than we're told, and that where you put your time and energy matters -- not because this is only a story about ethical consumption but because we are the ones being consumed, extracted from, and mined daily, and we can refuse that labor if we choose.

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                                #40

                                @cyberlyra Absolutely, thank you to all involved in this. I've always been a proponent of anti-tracking and privacy (and ad-blocking sort of comes along with it as an outcome). Ghostery and AdGuardDNS fan at the moment. Safari and Apple Passwords will be almost impossible to pry from me 🙂

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                                • auntyred@aus.socialA auntyred@aus.social

                                  @aj @nygl @cyberlyra neat! I've never looked into YunoHost before, but it looks like a cool concept

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                                  #41

                                  @AuntyRed @nygl @cyberlyra Worth following @elena if you're interested in YunoHost, and potentially hosting your own server apps with it, such as your own Mastodon or Pixelfed instance. Or Odoo, if you're so inclined...

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                                  • aj@gts.sadauskas.id.auA aj@gts.sadauskas.id.au

                                    @AuntyRed @nygl @cyberlyra Worth following @elena if you're interested in YunoHost, and potentially hosting your own server apps with it, such as your own Mastodon or Pixelfed instance. Or Odoo, if you're so inclined...

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                                    #42

                                    @aj @nygl @cyberlyra @elena will do!

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                                    • nygl@mastodon.socialN nygl@mastodon.social

                                      Does anyone make a document for dismantling Microsoft infrastructure in a medium sized organisation? Is it even possible? DNS, DHCP, AD, etc. Maybe a phased approach.

                                      Just out of theoretical interest.

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                                      #43

                                      @nygl I guess the easiest way to move would be to set up FreeIPA, establish cross trust and then starting to migrate services, users and devices from one to the other.

                                      https://www.freeipa.org/page/Active_Directory_trust_setup

                                      Maybe keep an eye on @eu_os they will probably test something like that somewhat soon.

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                                      • futzle@old.mermaid.townF futzle@old.mermaid.town

                                        @izzy @nygl 389ds looks promising. I’ve got some OpenLDAP servers that communicate with Active Directory and they are awful to manage. I dread every time I have to reconfigure slapd.

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                                        #44

                                        @futzle @izzy @nygl how often do you reconfigure slapd?

                                        OpenLDAP can replicate directly from AD using M$ DirSync these days. So getting AD accounts into OpenLDAP is pretty painless.

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                                        • hyc@mastodon.socialH hyc@mastodon.social

                                          @futzle @izzy @nygl how often do you reconfigure slapd?

                                          OpenLDAP can replicate directly from AD using M$ DirSync these days. So getting AD accounts into OpenLDAP is pretty painless.

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                                          #45

                                          @hyc @izzy @nygl Probably haven’t had to for a year or two. It’s set up just like you said. I wouldn’t have called it pretty painless. The cn=config configuration method might not be so bad (reserving judgement on this) if any of the documentation and examples actually used it.

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