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Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

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  • kensan@mastodon.socialK kensan@mastodon.social

    @fj Id much rather have Japanese Kei cars on our roads.

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    #123

    @Kensan
    Isn't their cost so high?

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    • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

      Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

      "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

      https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

      https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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      #124

      @fj So, you can line up a Twingo and an Aygo behind a Ford pick-up and not being able to see any of those two EU cars 😬

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      • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

        Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

        "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

        https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

        https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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        #125

        @fj Just one simple European answer to US carmakers: 🖕

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        • jawarajabbi@mastodon.onlineJ jawarajabbi@mastodon.online

          @fj

          The EU should offer a compromise: allow the Tesla cybertruck to be sold.

          (Because absolutely no one will by it but the Trump regime are too stupid to figure that out. They'll take the "win" back to the boss with pride.)

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          #126

          @jawarajabbi @fj
          Sadly enough idiots would buy them and then deaths.

          Ban touch screen controls for the driver and retractable door handles.

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          • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

            Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

            "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

            https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

            https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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            #127

            @fj
            it's simply a case of they won't fit.
            In our urban area, we already have problems accommodating the oversized cars on streets built for smaller vehicles. The issues are caused by both parking on kerbsides and trying to drive between vehicles parked both sides.
            I honestly don't know why thedrivers put themselves through the hassle of the silent negotiating to get down a street with a vehicle coming the other way -which happens quite often by my observation.
            The cost of 'upgrading' ...🤔😬

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            • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

              Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

              "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

              https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

              https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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              #128

              @fj https://youtu.be/iWR4AMqfTNA?t=2750

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              • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                #129

                @fj long may that ban continue

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                • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                  Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                  "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                  https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                  https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                  #130

                  @fj wonder why they chose to shrink the car even further than the specified width and height? the point can be made just as (if not more) forcefully if they didn't resort to distorting the relative sizes

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                  • threesigma@mastodon.onlineT threesigma@mastodon.online

                    @richlv @fj @reloadedhead

                    First and foremost: large vehicles are safer for the people in them, but much less safe for those around them. They crush smaller cars. Small children cannot be seen if close to the front. The headlights blind me when one of these is behind me in the road. They block sight lines. I think that wanting a big truck is basically anti-social.
                    This goes double for cybertrucks.

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                    #131

                    @ThreeSigma @richlv @fj @reloadedhead A little old, but still relevant: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/24139147/suvs-trucks-popularity-federal-policy-pollution

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                    • mausmalone@mastodon.socialM mausmalone@mastodon.social

                      @Rin3d @fj As others have pointed out, the F-350 crew cab is very often NOT a work truck. It's frequently a passenger vehicle in the US and should be compared to that.

                      But if you insist ...

                      And for the record, the F-350 is 51% heavier.

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                      #132

                      @mausmalone @Rin3d @fj
                      Despite the F-350 being slightly taller the visibility is much worse than the van. The Van driver can see a child or short Adult. The driver of an F-350 can't unless quite far off.

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                      • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                        Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                        "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                        https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                        https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                        #133

                        @fj that is not a car

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                        • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                          Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                          "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                          https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                          https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                          #134

                          @fj

                          Simply because they are a hazard.

                          Dangerous, not needed and not suited for European roads and cities.

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                          • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                            Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                            "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                            https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                            https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                            geomaster337@mastodon.social
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                            #135

                            @fj I love how the examples are among each brand’s smallest pickup trucks

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                            • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                              Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                              "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                              https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                              https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                              #136

                              @fj a fair comparison would be with the high-roof mercedes sprinter. Of course, the shortest sprinter van isn't even sold in the US, and is still some 30cm narrower than the F-SuperDuty.

                              Though I still won't defend how absurdly large our cars are. I want something affordable the size of the old jeep cherokee or a golf estate, and it just doesn't exist on the new market.

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                              • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                                Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                                "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                                https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                                https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                                #137

                                @fj they aren't cars, probably not even trucks, they are HGVs and if we did allow them on our roads you should need a HGV licence to drive them.

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                                • reloadedhead@mastodon.socialR reloadedhead@mastodon.social

                                  @richlv @fj do you mean they are more dangerous due to the size and potential damage in an accident?

                                  I am genuinely asking, because I come from a land in which having pick-ups is very common in rural areas for work and stuff, but not that common in urban environments, because surely nobody wants to drive that in narrow streets!

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                                  #138

                                  @reloadedhead @richlv @fj cities and suburban areas = pedestrians.
                                  It used to be that if you unfortunate enough to be hit by a truck it would probably be a survival accident. After all the mass of the grill really only came up a little bit over your hip. Now, if you’re hit by a truck, you’re going to be pulverized. I live in the US and it’s a nightmare. I absolutely will not ride a bicycle in my town anymore because I would be asking to die.

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                                  • starlily@mastodon.socialS starlily@mastodon.social

                                    @mwyman @fj Ten dollar a gallon gas will fix that.

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                                    passwordsarehard4@mastodon.social
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                                    #139

                                    @starlily @mwyman @fj not enough. We got assholes spending $10k to get the emissions devices removed so they can “roll coal” on the libs. It’ll go to gas rations and they’ll find some way to bypass it.

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                                    • mbirth@social.mbirth.ukM mbirth@social.mbirth.uk

                                      @reloadedhead @fj

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                                      #140

                                      @mbirth @reloadedhead @fj can we not use that as a slur?

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                                      • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                                        Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                                        "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                                        https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                                        https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                                        bleuyank@mastodon.social
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                                        #141

                                        @fj Completely agree, although European vehicles keep creeping larger and larger. Car shopping recently and I was surprised at how big a Peugeot 3008 had gotten. Width wise, it's 2 cm narrower than a Ford Ranger.

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                                        • disco3000@climatejustice.socialD disco3000@climatejustice.social

                                          @mikaeleiman @fj thats why I like my Polestar 2 so much. 4,6m is shorter than most competitors, still ride is perfect and the width is also on the narrow side. The EV9 window line is above my roof 🫣

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                                          #142

                                          @disco3000 I really like the polestar 2 but it's outside my budget. unfortunately there are very little sedans/estates EVs. I checked the BYD seal but is also super long and doest not fit on my garage.

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