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Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

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  • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

    Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

    "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

    https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

    https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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    #127

    @fj
    it's simply a case of they won't fit.
    In our urban area, we already have problems accommodating the oversized cars on streets built for smaller vehicles. The issues are caused by both parking on kerbsides and trying to drive between vehicles parked both sides.
    I honestly don't know why thedrivers put themselves through the hassle of the silent negotiating to get down a street with a vehicle coming the other way -which happens quite often by my observation.
    The cost of 'upgrading' ...🤔😬

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    • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

      Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

      "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

      https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

      https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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      #128

      @fj https://youtu.be/iWR4AMqfTNA?t=2750

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      • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

        Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

        "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

        https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

        https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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        #129

        @fj long may that ban continue

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        • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

          Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

          "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

          https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

          https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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          #130

          @fj wonder why they chose to shrink the car even further than the specified width and height? the point can be made just as (if not more) forcefully if they didn't resort to distorting the relative sizes

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          • threesigma@mastodon.onlineT threesigma@mastodon.online

            @richlv @fj @reloadedhead

            First and foremost: large vehicles are safer for the people in them, but much less safe for those around them. They crush smaller cars. Small children cannot be seen if close to the front. The headlights blind me when one of these is behind me in the road. They block sight lines. I think that wanting a big truck is basically anti-social.
            This goes double for cybertrucks.

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            #131

            @ThreeSigma @richlv @fj @reloadedhead A little old, but still relevant: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/24139147/suvs-trucks-popularity-federal-policy-pollution

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            • mausmalone@mastodon.socialM mausmalone@mastodon.social

              @Rin3d @fj As others have pointed out, the F-350 crew cab is very often NOT a work truck. It's frequently a passenger vehicle in the US and should be compared to that.

              But if you insist ...

              And for the record, the F-350 is 51% heavier.

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              #132

              @mausmalone @Rin3d @fj
              Despite the F-350 being slightly taller the visibility is much worse than the van. The Van driver can see a child or short Adult. The driver of an F-350 can't unless quite far off.

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              • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                #133

                @fj that is not a car

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                • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                  Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                  "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                  https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                  https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                  #134

                  @fj

                  Simply because they are a hazard.

                  Dangerous, not needed and not suited for European roads and cities.

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                  • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                    Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                    "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                    https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                    https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                    geomaster337@mastodon.social
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                    #135

                    @fj I love how the examples are among each brand’s smallest pickup trucks

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                    • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                      Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                      "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                      https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                      https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                      #136

                      @fj a fair comparison would be with the high-roof mercedes sprinter. Of course, the shortest sprinter van isn't even sold in the US, and is still some 30cm narrower than the F-SuperDuty.

                      Though I still won't defend how absurdly large our cars are. I want something affordable the size of the old jeep cherokee or a golf estate, and it just doesn't exist on the new market.

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                      • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                        Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                        "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                        https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                        https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                        #137

                        @fj they aren't cars, probably not even trucks, they are HGVs and if we did allow them on our roads you should need a HGV licence to drive them.

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                        • reloadedhead@mastodon.socialR reloadedhead@mastodon.social

                          @richlv @fj do you mean they are more dangerous due to the size and potential damage in an accident?

                          I am genuinely asking, because I come from a land in which having pick-ups is very common in rural areas for work and stuff, but not that common in urban environments, because surely nobody wants to drive that in narrow streets!

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                          #138

                          @reloadedhead @richlv @fj cities and suburban areas = pedestrians.
                          It used to be that if you unfortunate enough to be hit by a truck it would probably be a survival accident. After all the mass of the grill really only came up a little bit over your hip. Now, if you’re hit by a truck, you’re going to be pulverized. I live in the US and it’s a nightmare. I absolutely will not ride a bicycle in my town anymore because I would be asking to die.

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                          • starlily@mastodon.socialS starlily@mastodon.social

                            @mwyman @fj Ten dollar a gallon gas will fix that.

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                            #139

                            @starlily @mwyman @fj not enough. We got assholes spending $10k to get the emissions devices removed so they can “roll coal” on the libs. It’ll go to gas rations and they’ll find some way to bypass it.

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                            • mbirth@social.mbirth.ukM mbirth@social.mbirth.uk

                              @reloadedhead @fj

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                              #140

                              @mbirth @reloadedhead @fj can we not use that as a slur?

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                              • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                                Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                                "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                                https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                                https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                                #141

                                @fj Completely agree, although European vehicles keep creeping larger and larger. Car shopping recently and I was surprised at how big a Peugeot 3008 had gotten. Width wise, it's 2 cm narrower than a Ford Ranger.

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                                • disco3000@climatejustice.socialD disco3000@climatejustice.social

                                  @mikaeleiman @fj thats why I like my Polestar 2 so much. 4,6m is shorter than most competitors, still ride is perfect and the width is also on the narrow side. The EV9 window line is above my roof 🫣

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                                  #142

                                  @disco3000 I really like the polestar 2 but it's outside my budget. unfortunately there are very little sedans/estates EVs. I checked the BYD seal but is also super long and doest not fit on my garage.

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                                  • wronglang@bayes.clubW wronglang@bayes.club

                                    @fj incredible cultural insensitivity from Brussels, don't they know that the F150 is Ford's *smallest* truck in that line?

                                    Edit: for context the f-350 is 6.8 m long and 2.4 m wide, it's a common vanity truck in the US, I often see them without a scratch and with no dirt as though they'd never left the pavement (ah, the link is for the f-350 so ok) 🤣

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                                    #143

                                    @wronglang @fj the 350 isn’t the top either. Shaq has a custom F650 and I see F550’s with flatbeds pulling gooseneck campers fairly often.

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                                    • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                                      Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                                      "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                                      https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                                      https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                                      #144

                                      @fj

                                      Cars keep getting bigger, even here in the uk. Roads, on the other hand, refuse to widen and simply degrade faster because of the excessive burden of the vehicles' weight.

                                      Engine cc and fuel economy are already largely constrained by fuel duty. Let's begin making VED decisions based on vehicle mass. Promote smaller cars and motorcycles over tanks.

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                                      • P passwordsarehard4@mastodon.social

                                        @wronglang @fj the 350 isn’t the top either. Shaq has a custom F650 and I see F550’s with flatbeds pulling gooseneck campers fairly often.

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                                        #145

                                        @passwordsarehard4 @fj oh God, I must've blanked that out of my brain, I think 350s are the biggest I regularly see but I know what you're talking about with the campers. Ugh.

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                                        • G geomaster337@mastodon.social

                                          @fj I love how the examples are among each brand’s smallest pickup trucks

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                                          #146

                                          @geomaster337 @fj

                                          In fairness, the F350 pictured is about as large as most people would get for personal use.

                                          The Ford Maverick is far smaller and has seen high demand. The hybrid version is remarkably efficient.

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