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  3. Time for 2026 updates to my annual “opinions about solar” thread, now with storage.

Time for 2026 updates to my annual “opinions about solar” thread, now with storage.

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  • solar_chase@mastodon.greenS solar_chase@mastodon.green

    16. It is relatively easy to run a baseload power load, like a data center, *mostly* on solar and batteries. Especially somewhere like Saudi Arabia where the solar resource is quite constant all year. However, to get to the reliability needed, you need something else – either gas backup, or some bonkers long-duration storage tech.

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    #19

    17. One good thing about data centers is that they drive some investment into the scale-up of bonkers long-duration storage tech, eg Form Energy’s iron-air batteries (link). They care much less about the cost of power than about speed-to-power, which honestly is a new term for me this year.

    https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/batteries/gigantic-form-energy-battery-google-minnesota

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    • solar_chase@mastodon.greenS solar_chase@mastodon.green

      17. One good thing about data centers is that they drive some investment into the scale-up of bonkers long-duration storage tech, eg Form Energy’s iron-air batteries (link). They care much less about the cost of power than about speed-to-power, which honestly is a new term for me this year.

      https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/batteries/gigantic-form-energy-battery-google-minnesota

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      #20

      18. Lithium is going to continue to be the main technology for batteries for the foreseeable future, although China does have some policy support for sodium-ion.

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      • solar_chase@mastodon.greenS solar_chase@mastodon.green

        18. Lithium is going to continue to be the main technology for batteries for the foreseeable future, although China does have some policy support for sodium-ion.

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        #21

        19. After extensive complaints from me, BNEF now defines long-duration storage correctly: not in hours, but as technologies where “the cost and scale of energy capacity (GWh) are largely decoupled from those of power capacity (GW)".

        It's where you have a big tank of some cheap storage medium, basically.

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        • solar_chase@mastodon.greenS solar_chase@mastodon.green

          19. After extensive complaints from me, BNEF now defines long-duration storage correctly: not in hours, but as technologies where “the cost and scale of energy capacity (GWh) are largely decoupled from those of power capacity (GW)".

          It's where you have a big tank of some cheap storage medium, basically.

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          #22

          20. Long-duration storage deployment by BNEF’s definition was just 2GW / 9.6GWh in 2025, mostly in China. The main technologies getting built so far are compressed air and flow vanadium redox.

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          • solar_chase@mastodon.greenS solar_chase@mastodon.green

            20. Long-duration storage deployment by BNEF’s definition was just 2GW / 9.6GWh in 2025, mostly in China. The main technologies getting built so far are compressed air and flow vanadium redox.

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            #23

            21. The Hormuz crisis is having relatively little direct effect on solar panel sales, because solar doesn’t usually replace liquid fuel. The crisis is boosting EV sales, particularly in Europe where they reached 36% of car sales in Q2 2026 (China’s figure was 60%, though the car market overall slowed down). This does eventually support solar.

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            • solar_chase@mastodon.greenS solar_chase@mastodon.green

              21. The Hormuz crisis is having relatively little direct effect on solar panel sales, because solar doesn’t usually replace liquid fuel. The crisis is boosting EV sales, particularly in Europe where they reached 36% of car sales in Q2 2026 (China’s figure was 60%, though the car market overall slowed down). This does eventually support solar.

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              #24

              22. It should be all over for the new internal combustion engine car market. The only reason it doesn’t seem to be is that a lot of people don’t seem to realise how times have changed, and still repeat old talking points.

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              • solar_chase@mastodon.greenS solar_chase@mastodon.green

                22. It should be all over for the new internal combustion engine car market. The only reason it doesn’t seem to be is that a lot of people don’t seem to realise how times have changed, and still repeat old talking points.

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                #25

                23. Balcony solar: sure, you can put solar on anything. It works at any scale. But the amounts are tiny - this is not really an alternative to building large amounts of rooftop or ground mount solar.

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                • solar_chase@mastodon.greenS solar_chase@mastodon.green

                  23. Balcony solar: sure, you can put solar on anything. It works at any scale. But the amounts are tiny - this is not really an alternative to building large amounts of rooftop or ground mount solar.

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                  #26

                  24. “But you can own your own power plant!”.

                  No normal person wants to own their own power plant. Apart from us weirdoes, most people want to buy affordable, reliable power from the grid and have someone else make the investment and worry about the details.

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                  • solar_chase@mastodon.greenS solar_chase@mastodon.green

                    24. “But you can own your own power plant!”.

                    No normal person wants to own their own power plant. Apart from us weirdoes, most people want to buy affordable, reliable power from the grid and have someone else make the investment and worry about the details.

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                    #27

                    25. Agrivoltaics: sure, you can put solar on anything. It may even help, eg in this blistering summer a bit of shade would have helped many European crops. But it’s looking for preferential support, because there are reasons farmers currently prefer open, machine-accessible fields.

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                    • solar_chase@mastodon.greenS solar_chase@mastodon.green

                      25. Agrivoltaics: sure, you can put solar on anything. It may even help, eg in this blistering summer a bit of shade would have helped many European crops. But it’s looking for preferential support, because there are reasons farmers currently prefer open, machine-accessible fields.

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                      #28

                      26. Grazing sheep under solar panels should not qualify for agrivoltaics support. Solar subsidising sheep farming is not particularly an environmental plus. (Some crops do work well with PV, for example shade-tolerant berries, and in some climates, growth isn't limited by light availability).

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                      • solar_chase@mastodon.greenS solar_chase@mastodon.green

                        26. Grazing sheep under solar panels should not qualify for agrivoltaics support. Solar subsidising sheep farming is not particularly an environmental plus. (Some crops do work well with PV, for example shade-tolerant berries, and in some climates, growth isn't limited by light availability).

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                        #29

                        27. For 7 years I have been refusing to get excited about perovskites. Still not. Crystalline silicon is honestly pretty great, and perovskites won’t solve the basic problems for solar, which are unrelated to efficiency or price.

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                        • solar_chase@mastodon.greenS solar_chase@mastodon.green

                          27. For 7 years I have been refusing to get excited about perovskites. Still not. Crystalline silicon is honestly pretty great, and perovskites won’t solve the basic problems for solar, which are unrelated to efficiency or price.

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                          #30

                          28. The US and India are locked into having high-price local solar module markets, due to trade wars.

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                          • solar_chase@mastodon.greenS solar_chase@mastodon.green

                            28. The US and India are locked into having high-price local solar module markets, due to trade wars.

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                            #31

                            29. As a consequence of trade barriers, US solar module buyers are now paying more than 38 US cents per Watt, for generally worse products than free trade markets are getting for 12 US cents per Watt.

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                            • solar_chase@mastodon.greenS solar_chase@mastodon.green

                              29. As a consequence of trade barriers, US solar module buyers are now paying more than 38 US cents per Watt, for generally worse products than free trade markets are getting for 12 US cents per Watt.

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                              #32

                              30. The rest of us, if we want to be less dependent on China for solar modules, should buy from southeast Asia, India or Turkey, which will be happy to sell them at much less cost than setting up a domestic industry.

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                              • solar_chase@mastodon.greenS solar_chase@mastodon.green

                                30. The rest of us, if we want to be less dependent on China for solar modules, should buy from southeast Asia, India or Turkey, which will be happy to sell them at much less cost than setting up a domestic industry.

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                                #33

                                31. The US whack-a-mole approach to tariffs on new solar supply countries has resulted in cell and module factories built in a hurry in Africa, almost on a temporary basis because everyone knows the tariffs will hit them next.

                                This is not good for developing a skilled workforce or rigorous quality control.

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                                • solar_chase@mastodon.greenS solar_chase@mastodon.green

                                  31. The US whack-a-mole approach to tariffs on new solar supply countries has resulted in cell and module factories built in a hurry in Africa, almost on a temporary basis because everyone knows the tariffs will hit them next.

                                  This is not good for developing a skilled workforce or rigorous quality control.

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                                  #34

                                  32. A few interesting bellwether markets! Bulgaria, with 2025 peak power demand of 7.4GW, already has 4GW of batteries and a further 2-4GW in the pipeline, for 16GWh total. It is well connected with neighbouring grids and may become a short-term balancing hub.

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                                    32. A few interesting bellwether markets! Bulgaria, with 2025 peak power demand of 7.4GW, already has 4GW of batteries and a further 2-4GW in the pipeline, for 16GWh total. It is well connected with neighbouring grids and may become a short-term balancing hub.

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                                    #35

                                    33. Pakistan: ~25% of generation comes from solar, mostly small user-owned systems. It has grown due to rising power prices, distrust of utilities, landlords who see the benefits and provide PV to tenants as patronage, and really good how-to Tiktoks in local languages.

                                    This has stabilised and even reduced demand for gas and grid power, which puts new stresses on utilities and the government, which is responsible for capacity payments to China-owned coal plants. I do not know what happens next.

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                                      33. Pakistan: ~25% of generation comes from solar, mostly small user-owned systems. It has grown due to rising power prices, distrust of utilities, landlords who see the benefits and provide PV to tenants as patronage, and really good how-to Tiktoks in local languages.

                                      This has stabilised and even reduced demand for gas and grid power, which puts new stresses on utilities and the government, which is responsible for capacity payments to China-owned coal plants. I do not know what happens next.

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                                      #36

                                      34. Demand for solar panels to sub-Saharan Africa is rising; it was the destination for 9.4 gigawatts (GW) of Chinese module exports in the first half of 2026, compared with 13.1GW in the whole of 2025. South Africa, Nigeria, Congo, Ghana and Kenya are the largest markets.

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                                        34. Demand for solar panels to sub-Saharan Africa is rising; it was the destination for 9.4 gigawatts (GW) of Chinese module exports in the first half of 2026, compared with 13.1GW in the whole of 2025. South Africa, Nigeria, Congo, Ghana and Kenya are the largest markets.

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                                        #37

                                        35. The Philippines is having an amazing boom – we estimate that it will build 5.6GW of new solar in 2026, compared with 1GW last year. Plus 2.7GWh of batteries in 2026. Maybe the first market where the solar boom comes with batteries from the start.

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                                        • solar_chase@mastodon.greenS solar_chase@mastodon.green

                                          35. The Philippines is having an amazing boom – we estimate that it will build 5.6GW of new solar in 2026, compared with 1GW last year. Plus 2.7GWh of batteries in 2026. Maybe the first market where the solar boom comes with batteries from the start.

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                                          #38

                                          36. Solar long ago stopped being only for rich countries, and now batteries are the same.

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