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  • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

    @esi @_elena henlo 👋

    I also write critically about tech, including "AI", for Polish media, specifically OKO.press:
    https://oko.press/autor/michal-rysiek-wozniak

    Some relevant examples:
    https://oko.press/sztuczna-inteligencja-prace-nam-zabiera-czy-to-tylko-bajera
    https://oko.press/chinski-deepseek-upuscil-powietrza-z-amerykanskiej-banki-ai-co-teraz
    https://oko.press/ai-nie-rozwiaze-kryzysu-klimatycznego

    _elena@mastodon.social_ This user is from outside of this forum
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    #68

    @rysiek of course I should have already thought of you. Adding you to the list! ❤️

    @esi

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    • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

      Dear Fedi friends,

      I'd like to put together a list of people who are publicly resisting / calling out LLMs and AI slop.

      Why? I enjoy reading my Fediverse feed in topical lists and I need something to counteract the unrelenting AI hype I see in the media.

      Do you have any recommendations?

      So far, at the top of my list I have:

      @timnitGebru @emilymbender and @alexhanna of @DAIR

      plus @cwebber @jaredwhite and @tante

      Anyone else to recommend who advocates for #NoAI?

      drewtowler@mas.toD This user is from outside of this forum
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      #69

      @_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante I'm a cloud app developer and I post from a fairly rabid anti-AI viewpoint sometimes - though whether that makes me recommendable I have no idea.

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      • anildash@me.dmA anildash@me.dm

        @Standard_Phil @_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante I think they’re all real researchers, I’m just a commentator here.

        _elena@mastodon.social_ This user is from outside of this forum
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        _elena@mastodon.social
        wrote sidst redigeret af
        #70

        @anildash you 1000% belong to my list Anil ! And thanks @Standard_Phil for the suggestion

        FYI Anil if you don't know @jaredwhite he has a superb podcast titled Vibe Coded ("about the perils & pitfalls of creative intellectual automation; and why the future of good Internet vibes is for the humans, by the humans") : https://jaredwhite.com/projects/

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        • hikingdude@mastodon.socialH hikingdude@mastodon.social

          @_elena
          That's difficult.
          Aislop and hype are one side, there are good uses for it as well. So, just blaming LLMs feels like blaming a knife for murder.

          justin@social.younger.wtfJ This user is from outside of this forum
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          justin@social.younger.wtf
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          #71

          @hikingdude @_elena smoking a cigarette feels good but it's still bad and we should talk about it being bad all the time and never say good things about it

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          • hwll@sunny.gardenH This user is from outside of this forum
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            hwll@sunny.garden
            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #72

            @onepict @_elena @WeirdWriter well I'm fucking crying. Really damn good story, the first one. (Would read the second but I have to dry my cheeks and go to work, whew!)

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            • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

              Dear Fedi friends,

              I'd like to put together a list of people who are publicly resisting / calling out LLMs and AI slop.

              Why? I enjoy reading my Fediverse feed in topical lists and I need something to counteract the unrelenting AI hype I see in the media.

              Do you have any recommendations?

              So far, at the top of my list I have:

              @timnitGebru @emilymbender and @alexhanna of @DAIR

              plus @cwebber @jaredwhite and @tante

              Anyone else to recommend who advocates for #NoAI?

              dzwiedziu@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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              dzwiedziu@mastodon.social
              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #73

              @_elena (I've allowed myself to cut the CC)
              I'd add Ed Zitron (no known mastodon, IDK if his BS is bridged), yet his style is very… “raw”, yet to the point.

              @aftermath.site and @404mediaco, but you probably already know (about) the individual creators.

              IDK about Cory Doctorow with his late LLM usage confession with a preemptive rhetorical strike.

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              • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                Dear Fedi friends,

                I'd like to put together a list of people who are publicly resisting / calling out LLMs and AI slop.

                Why? I enjoy reading my Fediverse feed in topical lists and I need something to counteract the unrelenting AI hype I see in the media.

                Do you have any recommendations?

                So far, at the top of my list I have:

                @timnitGebru @emilymbender and @alexhanna of @DAIR

                plus @cwebber @jaredwhite and @tante

                Anyone else to recommend who advocates for #NoAI?

                csepp@merveilles.townC This user is from outside of this forum
                csepp@merveilles.townC This user is from outside of this forum
                csepp@merveilles.town
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                #74

                @_elena There is of course @algernon of Iocaine fame.

                (re: CW, Mastodon has editing now, you could easily edit your post to add a CW if you forgot to)

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                • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                  Dear Fedi friends,

                  I'd like to put together a list of people who are publicly resisting / calling out LLMs and AI slop.

                  Why? I enjoy reading my Fediverse feed in topical lists and I need something to counteract the unrelenting AI hype I see in the media.

                  Do you have any recommendations?

                  So far, at the top of my list I have:

                  @timnitGebru @emilymbender and @alexhanna of @DAIR

                  plus @cwebber @jaredwhite and @tante

                  Anyone else to recommend who advocates for #NoAI?

                  ki@chaos.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
                  ki@chaos.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
                  ki@chaos.social
                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #75

                  @_elena

                  good idea, added a respective hashtag to my bio

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                  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                    Dear Fedi friends,

                    I'd like to put together a list of people who are publicly resisting / calling out LLMs and AI slop.

                    Why? I enjoy reading my Fediverse feed in topical lists and I need something to counteract the unrelenting AI hype I see in the media.

                    Do you have any recommendations?

                    So far, at the top of my list I have:

                    @timnitGebru @emilymbender and @alexhanna of @DAIR

                    plus @cwebber @jaredwhite and @tante

                    Anyone else to recommend who advocates for #NoAI?

                    paulatothepeople@climatejustice.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
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                    paulatothepeople@climatejustice.social
                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #76

                    @_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante

                    Shameless self-plug: You can add @PaulaToThePeople to the list. She hates AI with a passion, posts a lot under the hashtag #LLMMeAlone and moderates the only Fediverse instance I know of, where posting AI stuff is forbidden.

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                    • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                      Dear Fedi friends,

                      I'd like to put together a list of people who are publicly resisting / calling out LLMs and AI slop.

                      Why? I enjoy reading my Fediverse feed in topical lists and I need something to counteract the unrelenting AI hype I see in the media.

                      Do you have any recommendations?

                      So far, at the top of my list I have:

                      @timnitGebru @emilymbender and @alexhanna of @DAIR

                      plus @cwebber @jaredwhite and @tante

                      Anyone else to recommend who advocates for #NoAI?

                      mensrea@freeradical.zoneM This user is from outside of this forum
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                      mensrea@freeradical.zone
                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #77

                      @_elena looks like @parismarx is missing

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                      • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                        Dear Fedi friends,

                        I'd like to put together a list of people who are publicly resisting / calling out LLMs and AI slop.

                        Why? I enjoy reading my Fediverse feed in topical lists and I need something to counteract the unrelenting AI hype I see in the media.

                        Do you have any recommendations?

                        So far, at the top of my list I have:

                        @timnitGebru @emilymbender and @alexhanna of @DAIR

                        plus @cwebber @jaredwhite and @tante

                        Anyone else to recommend who advocates for #NoAI?

                        cwebber@social.coopC This user is from outside of this forum
                        cwebber@social.coopC This user is from outside of this forum
                        cwebber@social.coop
                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                        #78

                        @_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @jaredwhite @tante I would clarify also that I am not quite #NoAI in terms of AI tech, but I am definitely opposed to the *AI industry* and this hype wave. There may be various useful things from this tech, but the net version of things with it being forced upon society right now in this hype wave is that everything is getting much worse, and sickeningly so.

                        Several more pieces need to be added to the puzzle to make "AI" tech more useful, and I'm also simply opposed to a direction in society that dismisses and devalues creative endeavors, which a lot of this hype is putting at the center of itself. Creativity is what makes life largely worthwhile. I'm not willing to give that up.

                        I have no problem with OpenImageDenoiser in Blender, which speeds up renders through machine learning, and in no way devalues creativity. But something which made it so I just typed a few words into Blender and it did all my artwork for me, I would oppose.

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                        • punissuer@universeodon.comP punissuer@universeodon.com

                          @_elena @trezzer i would have thought that CWs are for topics that might trigger trauma or distress, and user filtering for I've-seen-enough-of-this-already 🤷

                          trezzer@social.linux.pizzaT This user is from outside of this forum
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                          trezzer@social.linux.pizza
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                          #79

                          @punissuer @_elena Yeah, this is getting up there. It is seriously bad for the mental state of many people with the constant bombardment from pro and con. The problem with blocking is the blanket wipe it would cause of science related to AI (not LLM) and mentions of AI as it has historically been understood (algorithms, machine learning, actual theoretical GAI). You basically can't escape the pro/con-LLM bullshit because people call it the wrong thing.

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                          • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                            @_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @jaredwhite @tante I would clarify also that I am not quite #NoAI in terms of AI tech, but I am definitely opposed to the *AI industry* and this hype wave. There may be various useful things from this tech, but the net version of things with it being forced upon society right now in this hype wave is that everything is getting much worse, and sickeningly so.

                            Several more pieces need to be added to the puzzle to make "AI" tech more useful, and I'm also simply opposed to a direction in society that dismisses and devalues creative endeavors, which a lot of this hype is putting at the center of itself. Creativity is what makes life largely worthwhile. I'm not willing to give that up.

                            I have no problem with OpenImageDenoiser in Blender, which speeds up renders through machine learning, and in no way devalues creativity. But something which made it so I just typed a few words into Blender and it did all my artwork for me, I would oppose.

                            cwebber@social.coopC This user is from outside of this forum
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                            cwebber@social.coop
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                            #80

                            @_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @jaredwhite @tante I also just add a little assertion that one other thing I hate about this moment of "AI" is that the field of "AI" has had many interesting branches in it, and now we only talk about one (machine learning models) and I am deeply bitter about that.

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                            • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                              @trezzer I feel really bad because I use CW super frequently.

                              Sorry it didn't occur to me for this post but I will use CW from now on...

                              gbargoud@masto.nycG This user is from outside of this forum
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                              gbargoud@masto.nyc
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                              #81

                              @_elena @trezzer

                              The #NoAI tag is common enough that it's a good candidate for setting up a filter to turn any post with that tag into a CW post.

                              I'm a fan of standard tags instead of CWs for things that are not violent or sexual but a decent sized group would want to hide since they give people the power to control their own timelines more effectively.

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                              • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                @_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @jaredwhite @tante I would clarify also that I am not quite #NoAI in terms of AI tech, but I am definitely opposed to the *AI industry* and this hype wave. There may be various useful things from this tech, but the net version of things with it being forced upon society right now in this hype wave is that everything is getting much worse, and sickeningly so.

                                Several more pieces need to be added to the puzzle to make "AI" tech more useful, and I'm also simply opposed to a direction in society that dismisses and devalues creative endeavors, which a lot of this hype is putting at the center of itself. Creativity is what makes life largely worthwhile. I'm not willing to give that up.

                                I have no problem with OpenImageDenoiser in Blender, which speeds up renders through machine learning, and in no way devalues creativity. But something which made it so I just typed a few words into Blender and it did all my artwork for me, I would oppose.

                                alex@social.alexhyett.comA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                alex@social.alexhyett.com
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                                #82

                                @cwebber I definitely have this like/hate relationship with AI. I feel like there are so many genuinely useful things that could be done with AI and machine learning. Things like early cancer diagnosis and accessibility tools. I must admit AI has helped me with coding when I have got stuck too. It is just a shame all the focus is on replacing human creativity. I am sure 90% of the useful use cases could also be done with small on device models that don’t wreck the environment.

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                                • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                  @_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @jaredwhite @tante I also just add a little assertion that one other thing I hate about this moment of "AI" is that the field of "AI" has had many interesting branches in it, and now we only talk about one (machine learning models) and I am deeply bitter about that.

                                  mensrea@freeradical.zoneM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  mensrea@freeradical.zone
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                                  #83

                                  @cwebber @_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @jaredwhite @tante i've found myself moving back to using data science, ml, and algorithmic because ai functionally means llm-as-a-service at this point

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                                  • gbargoud@masto.nycG gbargoud@masto.nyc

                                    @_elena @trezzer

                                    The #NoAI tag is common enough that it's a good candidate for setting up a filter to turn any post with that tag into a CW post.

                                    I'm a fan of standard tags instead of CWs for things that are not violent or sexual but a decent sized group would want to hide since they give people the power to control their own timelines more effectively.

                                    pascaline@mastodon.nlP This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    pascaline@mastodon.nl
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                                    #84

                                    @gbargoud

                                    Same!
                                    I also use content warnings when I answer to a 'puzzle' to not give away the answer 😀

                                    And then: as a teacher of Adobe software, I usually start the first classes with 'We won't be using AI, what's more: I will show you how to hide all their AI options. You can make them visible again once you have enough skills and knowledge to evaluate their results. You need to learn how to do it first, before you let AI do this automatically."

                                    Teaching people skills: 💗

                                    @_elena @trezzer

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                                    • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                      @anildash you 1000% belong to my list Anil ! And thanks @Standard_Phil for the suggestion

                                      FYI Anil if you don't know @jaredwhite he has a superb podcast titled Vibe Coded ("about the perils & pitfalls of creative intellectual automation; and why the future of good Internet vibes is for the humans, by the humans") : https://jaredwhite.com/projects/

                                      pascaline@mastodon.nlP This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      pascaline@mastodon.nl
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                                      #85

                                      @_elena

                                      Yes, @anildash belongs on the list 😊

                                      @Standard_Phil @jaredwhite

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                                      • gbargoud@masto.nycG gbargoud@masto.nyc

                                        @_elena @trezzer

                                        The #NoAI tag is common enough that it's a good candidate for setting up a filter to turn any post with that tag into a CW post.

                                        I'm a fan of standard tags instead of CWs for things that are not violent or sexual but a decent sized group would want to hide since they give people the power to control their own timelines more effectively.

                                        gonzalo@neopaquita.esG This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #86

                                        @gbargoud @_elena @trezzer I agree with organizing the conversation around a hashtag, such as #NoAI or #AISlop. This can be more natural than hiding it behind a CW. For many instances CW is for violence and sexual topics, not for defending our rights.

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                                        • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                          Dear Fedi friends,

                                          I'd like to put together a list of people who are publicly resisting / calling out LLMs and AI slop.

                                          Why? I enjoy reading my Fediverse feed in topical lists and I need something to counteract the unrelenting AI hype I see in the media.

                                          Do you have any recommendations?

                                          So far, at the top of my list I have:

                                          @timnitGebru @emilymbender and @alexhanna of @DAIR

                                          plus @cwebber @jaredwhite and @tante

                                          Anyone else to recommend who advocates for #NoAI?

                                          gonzalo@neopaquita.esG This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          gonzalo@neopaquita.es
                                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                                          #87

                                          @_elena some great accounts(mainly in Spanish) are @tunubesecamirio @criticalswitch @arteesetica @ana_valdi

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