New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."→ https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics
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@h5e @f4grx @davidrevoy that “better” is doing a lot of heavy lifting.
Whatever happened to respecting art and ideas? I can understand wanting to see a ‘finished’ version of the sketch in the example, but that’s not up to me or a machine to do so. Just leave it to the imagination - of which AI bros have none (imho)
@richrockster @f4grx @davidrevoy better is not my opinion, obviously
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@arfisk Thank you, yes, I'm a follower of the CC blog. I'm also often reacting to their post on mastodon, or alerting them since 2022/2023 to handle the situation, but they never reply or interact.
Sadly, I feel them pretty disconnected from the "artist and content creators" right now on Internet. I lost hope in them.
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@davidrevoy Why would someone look at a bunch of comics about how much you hate AI and think that sending you AI clones of those comics was a good idea?
My guess: They don't think you'll like it, they think you're owned. See? This AI you hate so much can make comics as well as you can! (It can't.)
The other "offers" of course probably had AI do the work of deciding to e-mail you and everything, so whatever humans were involved probably neither knew nor cared. Spam casts a wide net after all.
@Linebyline To my surprise, the ones who are sending me this, often think they are "helping", a bit like when someone show the usage of fire to cavemen. Same type of energy, they think I'm not smart as them to know how to use AI, so they offer their help...
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Please have a proper lawyer with copyright/licensing experience look at your idea of how to license your comics in the future.
I am pretty sure you cannot legally use a "CC-something" with an additional "no AI" clause, because then the folks behind the CC licensing might send you a cease and desist letter, since they don't approve of a CC-but-no-AI-use license just yet.
You will probably have to come up with an entire license text of your own, and call it something like the David-Revoy-no-AI-License.
@farbenstau Having a proper lawyer is not in my budget, and so, not in my options unfortunately.
I check: 600€ per appointments, first one to meet and frame the issue, then two more for work in progress, and even more then to redact the paper or something. I don't have ~3000€ to invest on this, and one afternoon per week to take the car to the closest city and wait into the desk of a lawyer.
Right now, just drawing the line publicly and stamping it on my art might be enough to dissuade usage.
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@farbenstau Having a proper lawyer is not in my budget, and so, not in my options unfortunately.
I check: 600€ per appointments, first one to meet and frame the issue, then two more for work in progress, and even more then to redact the paper or something. I don't have ~3000€ to invest on this, and one afternoon per week to take the car to the closest city and wait into the desk of a lawyer.
Right now, just drawing the line publicly and stamping it on my art might be enough to dissuade usage.
@davidrevoy WTF? Over here, the initial meetup is usually around 150-250€ …
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@davidrevoy Hm, re-reading, maybe not possible to do in addition to this term. It's been so long since I thought about moral rights clauses.
@cwebber Hey, thank you, and yes. I plan to annotate this in addition of CC By or CC By-Sa.
Yes, CC 4.0, as you noted, has built-in waiver for the moral right. But not all, it's sort of grayish.When I visited CC, they told me I could easily action it if, eg, alt-right reused my work on the flag of their campaign or if one of my main OC was reused for the design of a sexual inflatable doll.
It's a case by case thing that must be studied in courts, but it often prevail other rules.
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@davidrevoy WTF? Over here, the initial meetup is usually around 150-250€ …
Also, are there no online services where you can consult with an attorney, is that not legal in your country?@farbenstau No, it's like that. Some non-profit org might give free legal advice, and hot lines, but it's often for a certain type of activism, not for any type of questions.
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@davidrevoy Your situation seems terrifying. I can't imagine the feeling of receiving such things like as it was 'normal'.
Seeing artists suffering from this makes me boil in anger. Hope your adjustements will have at least minimum effects. Sending support your way for dealing wih all this bs.
@voxographe Thank you!
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@h5e @f4grx @davidrevoy its like rocking up to a woodworking class with a CnC machine
@Bredroll @h5e @f4grx @davidrevoy No, it's not, because to use a CNC machine, you still need to understand the art and science of woodworking. It's more like walking up to a woodworking class with a bag of sawdust and a flamethrower.
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@farbenstau No, it's like that. Some non-profit org might give free legal advice, and hot lines, but it's often for a certain type of activism, not for any type of questions.
@davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
You can license your art as you like. Nobody will sue you for using a #CreativeCommon license with additional clausoles. That's just plain #FUD spreading.
Just double check that there is no evident contraddiction between the license and the #NoAI addendum.
My only suggestion is to actually set a (pretty high) price tag on "training" over your art.
That's because to prove copyright infridgement in many courts, you must be able to prove an economical demage that the GenAI should refund.
@farbenstau@infosec.exchange
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@cwebber Hey, thank you, and yes. I plan to annotate this in addition of CC By or CC By-Sa.
Yes, CC 4.0, as you noted, has built-in waiver for the moral right. But not all, it's sort of grayish.When I visited CC, they told me I could easily action it if, eg, alt-right reused my work on the flag of their campaign or if one of my main OC was reused for the design of a sexual inflatable doll.
It's a case by case thing that must be studied in courts, but it often prevail other rules.
@davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
Just in case, you might like the #HackingLicense as an alternative to CC-BY-SA + NoAI
https://encrypted.tesio.it/documents/HACK.txt
However the suggestion to set an "AI training" price tag stands.
@cwebber@social.coop
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@farbenstau No, it's like that. Some non-profit org might give free legal advice, and hot lines, but it's often for a certain type of activism, not for any type of questions.
@davidrevoy @farbenstau
Creative Commons is currently making a social contract system for handling AI agents called "signals". You can view it live here https://github.com/creativecommons/cc-signalsAt the moment it doesn't appear you'll be able to disallow usage, only specify openness preference
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@f4grx
Also it's about time CC at least acknowledges the issue. I plan on heading a similar exception to CC By-SA for my upcoming music album.
@farbenstau @davidrevoy@ScriptFanix @f4grx @farbenstau @davidrevoy
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@davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
You can license your art as you like. Nobody will sue you for using a #CreativeCommon license with additional clausoles. That's just plain #FUD spreading.
Just double check that there is no evident contraddiction between the license and the #NoAI addendum.
My only suggestion is to actually set a (pretty high) price tag on "training" over your art.
That's because to prove copyright infridgement in many courts, you must be able to prove an economical demage that the GenAI should refund.
@farbenstau@infosec.exchange@giacomo @davidrevoy The problem isn't using a CC license as a template, since the license text itself is CC-0, but you should make it clear that it is not in any way a CC-something license. To do so, choose a license name that doesn't mention CC at all, and maybe add a Preamble text explaining that it draws heavily from CC-whatever, as it is legal to base one's own licenses on their text, but is not an official CC license. And yes, anticipating and handling potential contradictions between the base license and your additional clauses is a RPITA, you're absolutely correct there. You will probably need to add some legalese explaining that the license isn't completely void in case of a contradiction that went unnoticed during the creation of the derivative license, plus some way of handling it after the fact.
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@h5e @f4grx @davidrevoy that “better” is doing a lot of heavy lifting.
Whatever happened to respecting art and ideas? I can understand wanting to see a ‘finished’ version of the sketch in the example, but that’s not up to me or a machine to do so. Just leave it to the imagination - of which AI bros have none (imho)
@richrockster @h5e @f4grx @davidrevoy I think the humanities are where vitalism still holds strong. When someone reduces human nuance to something that can be leveled up by a machine it gets pretty insulting to those who believe in that vitalism.
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Do you plan to make the artwork closed-source at some point (that is, to forbid derivatives altogether, in order to accommodate for the AI derivation restriction)?
@csolisr Techbros don't care about copyright so it wouldn't change anything?
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@dalias @poleguy @cwebber @davidrevoy no
If only it were that simple:
"CC licenses apply only when copyright permission is required. If exceptions or limitations apply, then the CC license terms don’t apply."
https://creativecommons.org/using-cc-licensed-works-for-ai-training-2/
@dajb @dalias @poleguy @davidrevoy I worked at CC, am familiar with what the licenses say. And attribution is still a requirement: if it's going to be a requirement to respect proprietary licenses going into datasets, it will also be a requirement to preserve attribution. The thing I am pushing on here is that whatever copyright outcome we get in terms of LLM ingestion and generation of content needs to be *equitable*, and on that front, attribution remains a requirement. You can't just hoover up the commons ignoring the few requirements it does have because it's the commons.
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New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
→ https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics@davidrevoy The sloppers just push-push-push. They’ve let the computer completely take over their executive function.
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@dajb @dalias @poleguy @davidrevoy I worked at CC, am familiar with what the licenses say. And attribution is still a requirement: if it's going to be a requirement to respect proprietary licenses going into datasets, it will also be a requirement to preserve attribution. The thing I am pushing on here is that whatever copyright outcome we get in terms of LLM ingestion and generation of content needs to be *equitable*, and on that front, attribution remains a requirement. You can't just hoover up the commons ignoring the few requirements it does have because it's the commons.
@cwebber @dalias @poleguy @davidrevoy
IANAL and I haven't had the privilege of working at CC (merely being a Fellow) but I have seen a lot of hand-wringing on mailing lists and in blog posts.
Ultimately, however we might wish it otherwise, the consensus seems to be that if governments consider training data not to subject to copyright considerations, then neither do derivative licenses apply.
Again, I'm a mere observer. I may be wrong.
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@davidrevoy I don't get why meat puppets submit to the machine in the first place. But I extra don't get *sending you* the results.
If I was making garbage of someone's work, I'd just keep it to myself, or sell it without notice if I had no ethics.
@mdhughes Well, I was also curious, I engaged into discussion with some of them. In short, they really think they are advanced tech user from the future, and they have the charity of bringing the "fire" to the poor caveman I am, still doing things manually. They pity my effort and hours, and my long years of continuous training; and are in contrast super proud of what they can achieve. They often position themselves as "helpful" and don't understand when I go agressive or revolted
