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  • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

    The news woman says:

    "... and protests that turned violent ..."

    The footage shows a crumpled car with half a dozen bullet holes in the door. The footage shows police holding batons with helmets and body armor walking backwards through the dusty Texas soil. A coordinated maneuver. But they do not show the protestors or their signs, or their voices.

    But "it turned violent" we are told.

    It seems to me like 'it' turned violent when ICE shot a man in the back.

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    @futurebird "... and then the violence team arrived on scene to administer violence"

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    • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

      Who was this man? You might think.
      Maybe there was a good reason for him being shot?

      I really think we need to raise the bar on what we consider a "good reason for being shot" but even by that standard. If you care (and you shouldn't) he didn't have a gun, he didn't attack the officers, he was even here legally it seems. If you care about that stuff. Which if you think about it is immaterial to shooting at someone to kill them.

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      #19

      @futurebird
      You nailed a key point (IMO)

      America desperate needs a serious discussion about what justifies deadly force.

      "Failure to immediately comply" should not be one of them.

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      • tcatinreality@mastodon.socialT tcatinreality@mastodon.social

        @futurebird
        You nailed a key point (IMO)

        America desperate needs a serious discussion about what justifies deadly force.

        "Failure to immediately comply" should not be one of them.

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        #20

        @TCatInReality @futurebird Not just IYO but anyone with an intact conscience.

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        • shannonpersists@mastodon.socialS shannonpersists@mastodon.social

          @TCatInReality @futurebird Not just IYO but anyone with an intact conscience.

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          @shannonpersists @TCatInReality

          What is IYO?

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          • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

            @shannonpersists @TCatInReality

            What is IYO?

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            @futurebird @TCatInReality Sorry I assumed you would know it's just in your opinion.

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            • shannonpersists@mastodon.socialS shannonpersists@mastodon.social

              @TCatInReality @futurebird Not just IYO but anyone with an intact conscience.

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              @TCatInReality @futurebird In your opinion *

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              • shannonpersists@mastodon.socialS shannonpersists@mastodon.social

                @TCatInReality @futurebird Not just IYO but anyone with an intact conscience.

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                #24

                @shannonpersists @futurebird

                There's the rub.

                There's an enormous amount of effort, money and tech being used to switch off people's conscience.

                Musk has gone so far as to explicitly attack human empathy.

                Until we stop/slow the hatemongers, I'm not sure how we stop the decline of society.

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                • tcatinreality@mastodon.socialT tcatinreality@mastodon.social

                  @shannonpersists @futurebird

                  There's the rub.

                  There's an enormous amount of effort, money and tech being used to switch off people's conscience.

                  Musk has gone so far as to explicitly attack human empathy.

                  Until we stop/slow the hatemongers, I'm not sure how we stop the decline of society.

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                  @TCatInReality @futurebird I believe sometimes it's best to not say anything, but sometimes it's just as important to come back with a ruthless clapback. I definitely agree with you on that. Psychopathy has become mainstream and widespread.

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                  • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                    Who was this man? You might think.
                    Maybe there was a good reason for him being shot?

                    I really think we need to raise the bar on what we consider a "good reason for being shot" but even by that standard. If you care (and you shouldn't) he didn't have a gun, he didn't attack the officers, he was even here legally it seems. If you care about that stuff. Which if you think about it is immaterial to shooting at someone to kill them.

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                    #26

                    @futurebird the fact that there is no national law on rules of engagement for cops is gonzo. "Do not fire unless fired upon" could be the basis.

                    The frozen water army pricks are, of course, unhindered by any ROE, because fascism. It's scary AF.

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                    • mmdolbow@mapstodon.spaceM mmdolbow@mapstodon.space

                      @futurebird the fact that there is no national law on rules of engagement for cops is gonzo. "Do not fire unless fired upon" could be the basis.

                      The frozen water army pricks are, of course, unhindered by any ROE, because fascism. It's scary AF.

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                      @mmdolbow

                      The thing is there are some laws that could apply, but the way that the public sees "law enforcement" creates this useful blindspot.

                      Many people, even people who think they aren't "MAGA" who don't like Trump and say they aren't racist will assume that if police shoot someone "there must have been a good reason"

                      It's unpleasant and uncomfortable to realize this isn't the case, not just in exceptional cases of "bad apples" but systemically. Over and over and over and over.

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