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  • T twigpi@mastodon.social

    @jwz I've run an offline llm on my computer. I've programmed response logic for enemies in games and played chess and other games aganst a computer. I've used text and image recognition and benefitted from an image cropping tool guessing where I wanted to crop to.

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    #56

    @twigpi so... you're ignoring all of the problems with the technology, and trying to negotiate what level of harm to others that you find acceptable for your personal, selfish benefit? like the cards in the post say? gee

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    • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

      Do Not Talk To Me About "AI"

      I had some cards printed up.

      These are unlikely to change any minds, but they will defintely shorten some incredibly tedious conversations at the bar.

      Here's a PDF if you'd like some of your own.
      https://jwz.org/b/yk-o

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      #57

      @jwz Ai's are going to become the biggest waste ever. China will be making a box versions of them all within 20 years, when particle memory is achieved.

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      • timsk@mastodon.socialT timsk@mastodon.social

        @Eetschrijver @jwz vas-y, et n'oublie pas de partager s.t.p.

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        #58

        @timsk @jwz Bien sûr que non !

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        • atax1a@infosec.exchangeA atax1a@infosec.exchange

          @twigpi so... you're ignoring all of the problems with the technology, and trying to negotiate what level of harm to others that you find acceptable for your personal, selfish benefit? like the cards in the post say? gee

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          #59

          @atax1a Nope, just calling you out on your ignorance.

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          • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

            Do Not Talk To Me About "AI"

            I had some cards printed up.

            These are unlikely to change any minds, but they will defintely shorten some incredibly tedious conversations at the bar.

            Here's a PDF if you'd like some of your own.
            https://jwz.org/b/yk-o

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            #60

            @uhhuhthem let's get some made

            @jwz

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            • T twigpi@mastodon.social

              @atax1a Nope, just calling you out on your ignorance.

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              #61

              @twigpi ok slopbro

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              • walruths@mastodon.socialW walruths@mastodon.social

                @twigpi @jwz

                The demand for newer local models means the corporations behind them have to waste datacenter resources training them in the first place, just for chess, some memes and to crop images.

                >that's ALL I use it for

                Considering the planet is literally dying to train these models, that ain't a great flex.

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                #62

                @Walruths @jwz Yeah, that's not how ai works. Maybe learn what you're actually fighting for so you don't damage the cause by being an [!].

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                • T twigpi@mastodon.social

                  @jwz I've run an offline llm on my computer. I've programmed response logic for enemies in games and played chess and other games aganst a computer. I've used text and image recognition and benefitted from an image cropping tool guessing where I wanted to crop to.

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                  #63

                  @twigpi Can you point to the place in this post that made you think that I would be even remotely interested in this anecdote?

                  *plonk*

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                  • helgi@101010.plH helgi@101010.pl

                    @jwz It's like demonizing MySQL app, maybe it runs at some datacenter, and it can do video editing too. It's actually not much useful application if you notice it just takes wiki pages and
                    google links at face value.

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                    #64

                    @Helgi What the fuck is wrong with you? *plonk*

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                    • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                      Do Not Talk To Me About "AI"

                      I had some cards printed up.

                      These are unlikely to change any minds, but they will defintely shorten some incredibly tedious conversations at the bar.

                      Here's a PDF if you'd like some of your own.
                      https://jwz.org/b/yk-o

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                      #65

                      @jwz
                      Propz 4 the text on these cards and 4 the sentiment that it expresses.

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                      • curltoes@mastodon.socialC curltoes@mastodon.social

                        @jwz i don't understand what your problem is with it i wasnt hostile towards you and you are just being mean for no reason

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                        #66

                        @curltoes @jwz I think you are woefully under familiar with jwz, and also, 'they already did the theft makes it ok' is a hell of a take.

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                        • curltoes@mastodon.socialC curltoes@mastodon.social

                          @SDRHoernchen the card would be useful for people who arent worth arguing with like double digit IQ people but to say that not taking a hard stance against something makes you dumb or whatever like probably how some people here see me is weird. i hate ai as well, but there are unchangeable things that can be managed. what is the solution? destroy all copies of ai on the internet? destroy gguf files on everyones computer? copyright was broken anyway, finding some small use is ok.

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                          #67

                          @curltoes @SDRHoernchen "these mass graves make for very flat ground, might as well put up apartments" is all I'm hearing.

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                          • eirikmyhr@sunny.gardenE eirikmyhr@sunny.garden

                            @jwz Attended a wedding yesterday. Met an old friend who was like «So, I am currently experiencing a lot with making AI music. I have to ask you as a composer how you feel about this?» I could only facepalm as loudly as possible and ask if we could please, PLEASE talk about something else. Weddings are supposed to be happy! Wish I had this card.

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                            #68

                            @eirikmyhr @jwz
                            Gah. I was at a human composed opera a while ago and was similarly taken aback:
                            https://mas.to/@DenOfEarth/115902160023911740

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                            • T twigpi@mastodon.social

                              @jwz I've run an offline llm on my computer. I've programmed response logic for enemies in games and played chess and other games aganst a computer. I've used text and image recognition and benefitted from an image cropping tool guessing where I wanted to crop to.

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                              #69
                              @twigpi @jwz You are knowingly mixing up LLMs (which are impossible to train locally and without breaking consent/copyright by using half of internet for training, even if already trained model is possible to be run locally), non-ML algorithms (which are not what people are talking about when mentioning AI, nobody is like, angry at Akinator for being "AI", because expert systems aren't related to any of "Generative AI" issues), and a simpler neural network that can be realistically made at home and doesn't output training data in any way (though modern incarnation of it is usually mixed up with LLMs and used for surveillance)
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                              • sdrhoernchen@chaos.socialS sdrhoernchen@chaos.social

                                @curltoes 1) social media, and yes, mastodon as well, has 2 sides, ONLY 2 sides, and no middle ground - a "lets take a reasonable stance here" would not get boosted by the hype and engagement machine 2) you're engaging with someone wearing a MAGA hat, this one just says NO AI, so you gotta manage your expectations here..

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                                #70

                                @SDRHoernchen *plonk*

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                                • T twigpi@mastodon.social

                                  @jwz I've run an offline llm on my computer. I've programmed response logic for enemies in games and played chess and other games aganst a computer. I've used text and image recognition and benefitted from an image cropping tool guessing where I wanted to crop to.

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                                  #71

                                  @twigpi cool story bro

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                                  • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                                    Do Not Talk To Me About "AI"

                                    I had some cards printed up.

                                    These are unlikely to change any minds, but they will defintely shorten some incredibly tedious conversations at the bar.

                                    Here's a PDF if you'd like some of your own.
                                    https://jwz.org/b/yk-o

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                                    #72

                                    @jwz
                                    But...why not talk about?

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                                    • dngrs@chaos.socialD dngrs@chaos.social

                                      @twigpi cool story bro

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                                      #73

                                      @dngrs Why thank you.

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                                      • T twigpi@mastodon.social

                                        @Walruths @jwz Yeah, that's not how ai works. Maybe learn what you're actually fighting for so you don't damage the cause by being an [!].

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                                        #74

                                        @twigpi @jwz I wasn't aware they were growing the models out of the dirt. What methods are used to create the free models from nothing?

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                                        • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                                          Do Not Talk To Me About "AI"

                                          I had some cards printed up.

                                          These are unlikely to change any minds, but they will defintely shorten some incredibly tedious conversations at the bar.

                                          Here's a PDF if you'd like some of your own.
                                          https://jwz.org/b/yk-o

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                                          #75

                                          @jwz I agree with the sentiments on these and would hand them out *if* they didn't have the word mother****er" on them.

                                          I do not use speech like that. I believe that using a cuss shows a lack of vocabulary. By saying that I am not passing any judgement over anyone else. It is my personal feelings for myself and nobody else.

                                          If you change them, I'd be happy to print some out.

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