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  • jizzeletbass@kolektiva.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
    jizzeletbass@kolektiva.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    RE: https://kolektiva.social/@alissaazar/116223781289008238

    #Prairieland #Antifa #1stAmendment #ICE #Lawfare #USPol #2ndAmendment

    Holy shit y'all. It is officially federal precedent that protesting the government is "Domestic Terrorism" and we no longer have the freedom of assembly, or the freedom of the press.

    I would love to see the jury instructions.

    I also want to know why "In a surprise move, all 9 defense teams rested their case immediately following the conclusion of the prosecution's time. " WTAF!!
    Are the defendants going to argue #ineffectiveCouncil ?
    [Edit:
    Why didn't Benjamin Song's council argue Self defense?
    Added:
    The judge forbid the affirmative defense of Self or of another, see post: https://mas.to/@dfwsupportcommittee/116227750858455999
    ]
    Via post: https://mas.to/@dfwsupportcommittee/116208013043435784

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    • jizzeletbass@kolektiva.socialJ jizzeletbass@kolektiva.social

      RE: https://kolektiva.social/@alissaazar/116223781289008238

      #Prairieland #Antifa #1stAmendment #ICE #Lawfare #USPol #2ndAmendment

      Holy shit y'all. It is officially federal precedent that protesting the government is "Domestic Terrorism" and we no longer have the freedom of assembly, or the freedom of the press.

      I would love to see the jury instructions.

      I also want to know why "In a surprise move, all 9 defense teams rested their case immediately following the conclusion of the prosecution's time. " WTAF!!
      Are the defendants going to argue #ineffectiveCouncil ?
      [Edit:
      Why didn't Benjamin Song's council argue Self defense?
      Added:
      The judge forbid the affirmative defense of Self or of another, see post: https://mas.to/@dfwsupportcommittee/116227750858455999
      ]
      Via post: https://mas.to/@dfwsupportcommittee/116208013043435784

      dfwsupportcommittee@mas.toD This user is from outside of this forum
      dfwsupportcommittee@mas.toD This user is from outside of this forum
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      @JizzelEtBass regarding why Song's attorneys didn't argue self-defense -- days into the trial, the judge granted the prosecution's motion to block the defense from claiming self-defense or defense of others: https://prairielanddefendants.com/court-notes/march-3rd-federal-trial-day-7/#morning-session-ruling-on-self-defense-motion-8-45-am

      https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txnd.410488/gov.uscourts.txnd.410488.348.0.pdf

      Here are the jury instructions: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/71664415/366/united-states-v-arnold/

      But people reported seeing a juror crying after deliberations finished.

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      • dfwsupportcommittee@mas.toD dfwsupportcommittee@mas.to

        @JizzelEtBass regarding why Song's attorneys didn't argue self-defense -- days into the trial, the judge granted the prosecution's motion to block the defense from claiming self-defense or defense of others: https://prairielanddefendants.com/court-notes/march-3rd-federal-trial-day-7/#morning-session-ruling-on-self-defense-motion-8-45-am

        https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txnd.410488/gov.uscourts.txnd.410488.348.0.pdf

        Here are the jury instructions: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/71664415/366/united-states-v-arnold/

        But people reported seeing a juror crying after deliberations finished.

        jizzeletbass@kolektiva.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
        jizzeletbass@kolektiva.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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        @dfwsupportcommittee Awesome, TYSM!

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        • jizzeletbass@kolektiva.socialJ jizzeletbass@kolektiva.social

          @dfwsupportcommittee Awesome, TYSM!

          jizzeletbass@kolektiva.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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          @dfwsupportcommittee I wasn't aware the Judge granted the motion, just that the motion was made by prosecution.

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          • jizzeletbass@kolektiva.socialJ jizzeletbass@kolektiva.social

            RE: https://kolektiva.social/@alissaazar/116223781289008238

            #Prairieland #Antifa #1stAmendment #ICE #Lawfare #USPol #2ndAmendment

            Holy shit y'all. It is officially federal precedent that protesting the government is "Domestic Terrorism" and we no longer have the freedom of assembly, or the freedom of the press.

            I would love to see the jury instructions.

            I also want to know why "In a surprise move, all 9 defense teams rested their case immediately following the conclusion of the prosecution's time. " WTAF!!
            Are the defendants going to argue #ineffectiveCouncil ?
            [Edit:
            Why didn't Benjamin Song's council argue Self defense?
            Added:
            The judge forbid the affirmative defense of Self or of another, see post: https://mas.to/@dfwsupportcommittee/116227750858455999
            ]
            Via post: https://mas.to/@dfwsupportcommittee/116208013043435784

            jizzeletbass@kolektiva.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
            jizzeletbass@kolektiva.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
            jizzeletbass@kolektiva.social
            wrote on sidst redigeret af
            #5

            I am guessing that because this Judge was going to rule for the government no matter what, maybe the defense team threw up their hands.
            Still, I don't understand not making an effort to defend your clients, if only to have a court record for the Appellate circuit to review.

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            • jizzeletbass@kolektiva.socialJ jizzeletbass@kolektiva.social

              @dfwsupportcommittee I wasn't aware the Judge granted the motion, just that the motion was made by prosecution.

              riotmuffin@ni.hil.istR This user is from outside of this forum
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              @JizzelEtBass This is pure speculation on my part, but I would suspect that part of the reason the defense rested their case was simply that it seemed clear the government had not proved major elements of their case.

              Unfortunately, the trial did not take place in a fact-based legal system

              @dfwsupportcommittee

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              • riotmuffin@ni.hil.istR riotmuffin@ni.hil.ist

                @JizzelEtBass This is pure speculation on my part, but I would suspect that part of the reason the defense rested their case was simply that it seemed clear the government had not proved major elements of their case.

                Unfortunately, the trial did not take place in a fact-based legal system

                @dfwsupportcommittee

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                @riotmuffin @dfwsupportcommittee Exactly this.
                However, the Judge explicitly allowed for "evidence offered by any Defendant to disprove the Government's affirmative case..." Literally the job of the defense council during their turn.

                I can only think maybe they ran out of money/funds? Lawyers completely unprepared for Federal Criminal procedure?
                Or maybe they were bribed or threatened by the Prosecution? I really don't understand it.

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                • jizzeletbass@kolektiva.socialJ jizzeletbass@kolektiva.social

                  @riotmuffin @dfwsupportcommittee Exactly this.
                  However, the Judge explicitly allowed for "evidence offered by any Defendant to disprove the Government's affirmative case..." Literally the job of the defense council during their turn.

                  I can only think maybe they ran out of money/funds? Lawyers completely unprepared for Federal Criminal procedure?
                  Or maybe they were bribed or threatened by the Prosecution? I really don't understand it.

                  riotmuffin@ni.hil.istR This user is from outside of this forum
                  riotmuffin@ni.hil.istR This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @JizzelEtBass it’ll be interesting for us legal nerds to hear the tea at some point, and although it was unexpected it’s not an unprecedented strategy in criminal cases. In this one it was obviously agreed to by a great number of attorneys, whose clients would have agreed to it. There’s nothing I know of to indicate these attorneys were doing anything but their best.

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