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  • kirschner@mastodon.socialK kirschner@mastodon.social

    RE: https://gruene.social/@Gerbsen/116052492129846084

    Money transfer from the German Federal Administration to Microsoft:

    2023: 274.091.361,75 Euro
    2024: 347.665.579,71 Euro
    2025: 481.369.660,77 Euro

    (Source: German Parliament 21/4006 page 96 https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/21/040/2104006.pdf )

    Daniel asks what #FreeSoftware #OpenSource could have been procured and developed with such sums and how you feel about when you see those numbers. He also fears this trend will continue.

    jesusmargar@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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    jesusmargar@mastodon.social
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    #16

    @kirschner Seeing this only as an open source /free software issue is missing the football, in my opinion. Most of that money won't be on software but on cloud services, servers and support. You may replace MS for open source versions but I doubt the costs would go down considerably and I am not sure how many companies would be able to step in at that level. The Government may have to do it by itself (which is possible, but would take time and serious investment).

    jesusmargar@mastodon.socialJ kirschner@mastodon.socialK jaypeach53@mastodon.socialJ 3 Replies Last reply
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    • jesusmargar@mastodon.socialJ jesusmargar@mastodon.social

      @kirschner Seeing this only as an open source /free software issue is missing the football, in my opinion. Most of that money won't be on software but on cloud services, servers and support. You may replace MS for open source versions but I doubt the costs would go down considerably and I am not sure how many companies would be able to step in at that level. The Government may have to do it by itself (which is possible, but would take time and serious investment).

      jesusmargar@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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      jesusmargar@mastodon.social
      wrote sidst redigeret af
      #17

      @kirschner In an ideal world, you'd see the EU pulling resources together to replace it with an EU-based alternative, ideally publicly run and serving all 27 nations with possibility to export elsewhere, but that would take a few years to develop. I don't see it happening.

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      • kirschner@mastodon.socialK kirschner@mastodon.social

        RE: https://gruene.social/@Gerbsen/116052492129846084

        Money transfer from the German Federal Administration to Microsoft:

        2023: 274.091.361,75 Euro
        2024: 347.665.579,71 Euro
        2025: 481.369.660,77 Euro

        (Source: German Parliament 21/4006 page 96 https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/21/040/2104006.pdf )

        Daniel asks what #FreeSoftware #OpenSource could have been procured and developed with such sums and how you feel about when you see those numbers. He also fears this trend will continue.

        alterelefant@mastodontech.deA This user is from outside of this forum
        alterelefant@mastodontech.deA This user is from outside of this forum
        alterelefant@mastodontech.de
        wrote sidst redigeret af
        #18

        @kirschner And Microsoft will obviously not lower their prices now they have the customer onboard in their system. When it is extremely difficult and costly for your customer to leave you can basically ask any price you want.

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        • kirschner@mastodon.socialK kirschner@mastodon.social

          RE: https://gruene.social/@Gerbsen/116052492129846084

          Money transfer from the German Federal Administration to Microsoft:

          2023: 274.091.361,75 Euro
          2024: 347.665.579,71 Euro
          2025: 481.369.660,77 Euro

          (Source: German Parliament 21/4006 page 96 https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/21/040/2104006.pdf )

          Daniel asks what #FreeSoftware #OpenSource could have been procured and developed with such sums and how you feel about when you see those numbers. He also fears this trend will continue.

          mray@social.tchncs.deM This user is from outside of this forum
          mray@social.tchncs.deM This user is from outside of this forum
          mray@social.tchncs.de
          wrote sidst redigeret af
          #19

          @kirschner A more visual representation of how #DigitalSovereignty is going:

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          • mray@social.tchncs.deM mray@social.tchncs.de

            @kirschner A more visual representation of how #DigitalSovereignty is going:

            purrperl@noc.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
            purrperl@noc.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
            purrperl@noc.social
            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #20

            @mray @kirschner

            EpsteinGate might bring Microsoft down.

            https://rant.li/ashwin/castles-made-of-sand

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            • kirschner@mastodon.socialK kirschner@mastodon.social

              RE: https://gruene.social/@Gerbsen/116052492129846084

              Money transfer from the German Federal Administration to Microsoft:

              2023: 274.091.361,75 Euro
              2024: 347.665.579,71 Euro
              2025: 481.369.660,77 Euro

              (Source: German Parliament 21/4006 page 96 https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/21/040/2104006.pdf )

              Daniel asks what #FreeSoftware #OpenSource could have been procured and developed with such sums and how you feel about when you see those numbers. He also fears this trend will continue.

              zygoon@fosstodon.orgZ This user is from outside of this forum
              zygoon@fosstodon.orgZ This user is from outside of this forum
              zygoon@fosstodon.org
              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #21

              @kirschner then extrapolate to all of EU and see the sheer power there

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              • kirschner@mastodon.socialK kirschner@mastodon.social

                RE: https://gruene.social/@Gerbsen/116052492129846084

                Money transfer from the German Federal Administration to Microsoft:

                2023: 274.091.361,75 Euro
                2024: 347.665.579,71 Euro
                2025: 481.369.660,77 Euro

                (Source: German Parliament 21/4006 page 96 https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/21/040/2104006.pdf )

                Daniel asks what #FreeSoftware #OpenSource could have been procured and developed with such sums and how you feel about when you see those numbers. He also fears this trend will continue.

                pmfl@masto.ptP This user is from outside of this forum
                pmfl@masto.ptP This user is from outside of this forum
                pmfl@masto.pt
                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #22

                @kirschner 🤯

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                • kirschner@mastodon.socialK kirschner@mastodon.social

                  RE: https://gruene.social/@Gerbsen/116052492129846084

                  Money transfer from the German Federal Administration to Microsoft:

                  2023: 274.091.361,75 Euro
                  2024: 347.665.579,71 Euro
                  2025: 481.369.660,77 Euro

                  (Source: German Parliament 21/4006 page 96 https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/21/040/2104006.pdf )

                  Daniel asks what #FreeSoftware #OpenSource could have been procured and developed with such sums and how you feel about when you see those numbers. He also fears this trend will continue.

                  grishka@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #23

                  @kirschner ReactOS would've been finished AND caught up with Windows 11 in terms of compatibility 😄

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                  • kirschner@mastodon.socialK kirschner@mastodon.social

                    RE: https://gruene.social/@Gerbsen/116052492129846084

                    Money transfer from the German Federal Administration to Microsoft:

                    2023: 274.091.361,75 Euro
                    2024: 347.665.579,71 Euro
                    2025: 481.369.660,77 Euro

                    (Source: German Parliament 21/4006 page 96 https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/21/040/2104006.pdf )

                    Daniel asks what #FreeSoftware #OpenSource could have been procured and developed with such sums and how you feel about when you see those numbers. He also fears this trend will continue.

                    adardis@mstdn.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
                    adardis@mstdn.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #24

                    @kirschner With 1T Euro you could build a lot of infrastructure, subsidize a lot of free/open software projects. It would not be an easy transition.

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                    • kirschner@mastodon.socialK kirschner@mastodon.social

                      RE: https://gruene.social/@Gerbsen/116052492129846084

                      Money transfer from the German Federal Administration to Microsoft:

                      2023: 274.091.361,75 Euro
                      2024: 347.665.579,71 Euro
                      2025: 481.369.660,77 Euro

                      (Source: German Parliament 21/4006 page 96 https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/21/040/2104006.pdf )

                      Daniel asks what #FreeSoftware #OpenSource could have been procured and developed with such sums and how you feel about when you see those numbers. He also fears this trend will continue.

                      daniel@masto.doserver.topD This user is from outside of this forum
                      daniel@masto.doserver.topD This user is from outside of this forum
                      daniel@masto.doserver.top
                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #25

                      @kirschner @Gina

                      What the actual Dickens??!!

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                      • kirschner@mastodon.socialK kirschner@mastodon.social

                        RE: https://gruene.social/@Gerbsen/116052492129846084

                        Money transfer from the German Federal Administration to Microsoft:

                        2023: 274.091.361,75 Euro
                        2024: 347.665.579,71 Euro
                        2025: 481.369.660,77 Euro

                        (Source: German Parliament 21/4006 page 96 https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/21/040/2104006.pdf )

                        Daniel asks what #FreeSoftware #OpenSource could have been procured and developed with such sums and how you feel about when you see those numbers. He also fears this trend will continue.

                        fds@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
                        fds@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
                        fds@mastodon.social
                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                        #26

                        @kirschner I think it has no choice but to to continue unless there people are forced to switch. Otherwise they will naturally go with what they know.

                        The downside to open hardware is that I think it will always favor whoever has the most money despite ideas that it will produce innovation. At this point I think the only way to combat that would be for governments to give an equal amount of the MS costs to legitimate open source developers.

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                        • fds@mastodon.socialF fds@mastodon.social

                          @kirschner I think it has no choice but to to continue unless there people are forced to switch. Otherwise they will naturally go with what they know.

                          The downside to open hardware is that I think it will always favor whoever has the most money despite ideas that it will produce innovation. At this point I think the only way to combat that would be for governments to give an equal amount of the MS costs to legitimate open source developers.

                          fds@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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                          fds@mastodon.social
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                          #27

                          @kirschner Not to say that we should go back to closed system but tech monopolies have been allowed to go on to long. Ex: opening up the iPhone to other browsers will likely just add to the Chrome dominance which is worse than the Safari lock-in imo.

                          So, I think we just need to accept the only likely way to fight the dominance is money at this point.

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                          • kirschner@mastodon.socialK kirschner@mastodon.social

                            RE: https://gruene.social/@Gerbsen/116052492129846084

                            Money transfer from the German Federal Administration to Microsoft:

                            2023: 274.091.361,75 Euro
                            2024: 347.665.579,71 Euro
                            2025: 481.369.660,77 Euro

                            (Source: German Parliament 21/4006 page 96 https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/21/040/2104006.pdf )

                            Daniel asks what #FreeSoftware #OpenSource could have been procured and developed with such sums and how you feel about when you see those numbers. He also fears this trend will continue.

                            K This user is from outside of this forum
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                            kolorafa@mastodon.com.pl
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                            #28

                            Też bym szukał alternatyw jakby mi opłaty stałe tak szybko rosły...

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                            • fds@mastodon.socialF fds@mastodon.social

                              @kirschner Not to say that we should go back to closed system but tech monopolies have been allowed to go on to long. Ex: opening up the iPhone to other browsers will likely just add to the Chrome dominance which is worse than the Safari lock-in imo.

                              So, I think we just need to accept the only likely way to fight the dominance is money at this point.

                              kirschner@mastodon.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
                              kirschner@mastodon.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
                              kirschner@mastodon.social
                              wrote sidst redigeret af
                              #29

                              @fds The problems with monopolies is also the reason why we are in front of the European Court of Justice against #Apple: https://fsfe.org/activities/apple-litigation/apple-litigation.en.html

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                              • jesusmargar@mastodon.socialJ jesusmargar@mastodon.social

                                @kirschner Seeing this only as an open source /free software issue is missing the football, in my opinion. Most of that money won't be on software but on cloud services, servers and support. You may replace MS for open source versions but I doubt the costs would go down considerably and I am not sure how many companies would be able to step in at that level. The Government may have to do it by itself (which is possible, but would take time and serious investment).

                                kirschner@mastodon.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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                                kirschner@mastodon.social
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                                #30

                                @jesusmargar it is often the argument when dealing with monopolies that they are too big to be replaced by another company. That is exactly the problem, and you have to start implementing strategies so there can be more competition by splitting up different components.

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                                • jesusmargar@mastodon.socialJ jesusmargar@mastodon.social

                                  @kirschner Seeing this only as an open source /free software issue is missing the football, in my opinion. Most of that money won't be on software but on cloud services, servers and support. You may replace MS for open source versions but I doubt the costs would go down considerably and I am not sure how many companies would be able to step in at that level. The Government may have to do it by itself (which is possible, but would take time and serious investment).

                                  jaypeach53@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  jaypeach53@mastodon.social
                                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                                  #31

                                  @jesusmargar @kirschner Jesus, and those expenditures would hopefully be done by EU companies paying EU taxes with EU employees. And if the software is open source, even if they were paid handsomely, the fees would probably be 10% of what M$ gets for enshittified software. M$ makes crapware, face it. Or are you just M$ troll?

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                                  • kirschner@mastodon.socialK kirschner@mastodon.social

                                    RE: https://gruene.social/@Gerbsen/116052492129846084

                                    Money transfer from the German Federal Administration to Microsoft:

                                    2023: 274.091.361,75 Euro
                                    2024: 347.665.579,71 Euro
                                    2025: 481.369.660,77 Euro

                                    (Source: German Parliament 21/4006 page 96 https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/21/040/2104006.pdf )

                                    Daniel asks what #FreeSoftware #OpenSource could have been procured and developed with such sums and how you feel about when you see those numbers. He also fears this trend will continue.

                                    rrustema@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    rrustema@mastodon.social
                                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                                    #32

                                    @kirschner @Gerbsen and if Germany would have spent that on free software the rest of the world could have saved also a lot of public money because that software would likely be also useful in other countries.

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                                    • kirschner@mastodon.socialK kirschner@mastodon.social

                                      RE: https://gruene.social/@Gerbsen/116052492129846084

                                      Money transfer from the German Federal Administration to Microsoft:

                                      2023: 274.091.361,75 Euro
                                      2024: 347.665.579,71 Euro
                                      2025: 481.369.660,77 Euro

                                      (Source: German Parliament 21/4006 page 96 https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/21/040/2104006.pdf )

                                      Daniel asks what #FreeSoftware #OpenSource could have been procured and developed with such sums and how you feel about when you see those numbers. He also fears this trend will continue.

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                                      pbog@mastodon.social
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                                      #33

                                      @kirschner Maybe someone knows how much money Poland spends.

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