2001: I have a new phone.
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> so you find that the compute is still locked out
No - not me.
I think that was someone else's comment.
@neil
Mea culpa on that. However, I do not consider a slab with Graphene installed to be "new" anymore.
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2001: I have a new phone. How exciting! Perhaps I can access the Internet on it via a Sharp Zaurus. This is so the future!
2002: Ooh! A new PalmOS device! Amazing! HotSync backup and off we go!
2004: Wow! This WindowsMobile device has a keyboard, as is basically a mini laptop. Cool!
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2026: I must get a new black slab because security updates have run out on my current black slab which, for all other intents and purposes, is absolutely fine. The new black slab does nothing new for me, and all I see is the chore of setting it up.
@neil ah, I have fond memories of my Zaurus! I had the whole of Wikipedia on it on a CF card. It really was the future.
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@neil they do offer pre-loaded /e/OS, but i don't know enough about alt OSes to know the difference. iirc graphene does a lot more at the system level for safety and privacy, but as most authenticators and corpo crap doesn't support it i never took it for a test drive
@dank I have had problems with banks not liking it (which is daft, given its security focus), but everything else has been fine.
YMMV, of course!
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@neil
Mea culpa on that. However, I do not consider a slab with Graphene installed to be "new" anymore.
@VonskinnbackSorry, I don't understand?
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@neil this was my primary reason for getting a fairphone
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> so you find that the compute is still locked out
No - not me.
I think that was someone else's comment.
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@neil can I buy one that *can’t* make and receive calls. That may be useful.
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FWIW, I run @GrapheneOS on a Pixel.
This will be my third GrapheneOS device.
A genuinely excellent Android experience, with many years of support and security updates.
Seconding Graphene, running it on my P10 Pro XL. Fantastic OS and great peace of mind
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2001: I have a new phone. How exciting! Perhaps I can access the Internet on it via a Sharp Zaurus. This is so the future!
2002: Ooh! A new PalmOS device! Amazing! HotSync backup and off we go!
2004: Wow! This WindowsMobile device has a keyboard, as is basically a mini laptop. Cool!
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2026: I must get a new black slab because security updates have run out on my current black slab which, for all other intents and purposes, is absolutely fine. The new black slab does nothing new for me, and all I see is the chore of setting it up.
@neil I have only the second smartphone in my life, and it's quite "old" now. I'll keep it until it breaks. Environment is an important point for me. For security, I use my fix line.
I know. 
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@dank I have had problems with banks not liking it (which is daft, given its security focus), but everything else has been fine.
YMMV, of course!
@neil yep, the major blocker for me is authenticator apps like okta and google. i really don't want to have and maintain multiple phones so if i can't use it as MFA for work and personal, it's a showstopper
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Sorry, I don't understand?
@neil
A new device would be in the state the manufacturer most intends it to be in. Even if you install GOS minutes into its ownership, boom, not new.
Until the Motorolas come out...
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@neil yep, the major blocker for me is authenticator apps like okta and google. i really don't want to have and maintain multiple phones so if i can't use it as MFA for work and personal, it's a showstopper
@dank Yes, this might come down to specific requirements. I use a YubiKey (WebAuthn and TOTP) and Bitwarden (passkeys and TOTP), and those are fine, but others I don't know!
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What a strange post. Are you feeling okay?
I'm upgrading from a device running GrapheneOS, which has come to the end of its five years of security updates.
I am upgrading to another device running GrapheneOS, which should offer seven years of updates.
I don't need new features, but I do want the security updates.
Then why don't you post this in your post, genius? But, of course, my post still stands correct. You still finance big corps because Graphene's VERY limited choice of supported hardware. You still can't easily replace parts. And you still have a phone built with blood minerals.
Have a nice day!
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@neil
A new device would be in the state the manufacturer most intends it to be in. Even if you install GOS minutes into its ownership, boom, not new.
Until the Motorolas come out...
@VonskinnbackAh, that's an unusual interpretation of "new" to me. I bought a new, unopened, device. I will install my software of choice on it, and use it.
To me, that's new phone!
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My last phone was a OnePlus 5T. It was released 9 years ago. It had 8 cores, including 4 high-performance 2.45GHz ones, 8 GiB of RAM, and 128 GB of storage. It is massively overpowered for everything I use it for. Apparently the last LineageOS version to run on it was Android 15. I think that still gets security updates but is no longer the latest release.
I’d still be using it if I hadn’t accidentally put it through the washer-dryer. I replaced it with a 9 Pro, which is now over 5 years old and runs the latest Android via LineageOS.
The 5T stopped getting official updates with the stock firmware around 2020. The 9P Pro’s last official update was in 2023.
The fact that a group of volunteers can maintain updates for years after the vendor stops makes it very obvious that this is an intentional choice by the vendor. I hope that the labelling requirements in the CRA will start to disincentivise this behaviour.
@david_chisnall The Right Of Repair laws in the EU already changed a lot, I hope that their will come more positive effects also on that problem.
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Then why don't you post this in your post, genius? But, of course, my post still stands correct. You still finance big corps because Graphene's VERY limited choice of supported hardware. You still can't easily replace parts. And you still have a phone built with blood minerals.
Have a nice day!
I hope that you feel better soon
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Ah, that's an unusual interpretation of "new" to me. I bought a new, unopened, device. I will install my software of choice on it, and use it.
To me, that's new phone!
@neil
And if google treated GOS equally to its own software, I might also hold that view. What I see from them is more of a tenuous tolerance.
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