Nice!
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@serge social.edu.nl seems to be the one, indeed.
[Clarification: the current pilot instance; doesn't mean it will stay the only one]On a first glance, I don't seem him listed as admin there; but his affiliation with SURF is obvious.
[Correction: He is listed as admin, I simply didn't see it]Not statement I condone in the slightest & makes me, once again, cry out "why can't we just have nice things"
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@serge Thanks for pointing that out, I appreciate it
For the record (and for other people reading this):
The part about "80 years" is the one I personally take issue with.
I don't necessarily see the other part about "enabling by the 'reasonable center' and the 'silent majority' in the West" as being an allusion to "Jewish control of the West"; while I also see Serge's point. -
@stefan Mastodon is decentralized, just open some instances for the universities and schools already!
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Nice!
"Mastodon is currently considered *the* alternative to Twitter. SURF [the IT cooperative of Dutch education and research] and Universities of the Netherlands are therefore jointly exploring how a Mastodon environment for education and research in the Netherlands can take shape."
https://www.surf.nl/en/mastodon-pilot-for-research-and-education
@stefan this is the highest liked post ive seen today at 250 likes. Shit ain't twitter
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Nice!
"Mastodon is currently considered *the* alternative to Twitter. SURF [the IT cooperative of Dutch education and research] and Universities of the Netherlands are therefore jointly exploring how a Mastodon environment for education and research in the Netherlands can take shape."
https://www.surf.nl/en/mastodon-pilot-for-research-and-education
@stefan When Elon bought Twitter it became my corporate contact only, if I needed to contact companies and nothing else. When Trump got elected and I've seen what bs they were doing together including the literal double nazi salute, I just deleted it and opened Mastodon. Never looked back. I wish Mastodon would become the sane version of Twitter and now X...
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@serge Thanks for pointing that out, I appreciate it
For the record (and for other people reading this):
The part about "80 years" is the one I personally take issue with.
I don't necessarily see the other part about "enabling by the 'reasonable center' and the 'silent majority' in the West" as being an allusion to "Jewish control of the West"; while I also see Serge's point.The thing with such people is that if they didn't go so far, I wouldn't have an issue.
There's nothing wrong with talking about the issues in the West Bank per se (though I'd ask why not discuss other human tragedies and only talk about Israel) but when one talks about Israel as an illegitimate state or makes allusions to antisemitic tropes, it's clear this absolutely doesn't belong on a site like this, and never from an admin.
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@stefan When Elon bought Twitter it became my corporate contact only, if I needed to contact companies and nothing else. When Trump got elected and I've seen what bs they were doing together including the literal double nazi salute, I just deleted it and opened Mastodon. Never looked back. I wish Mastodon would become the sane version of Twitter and now X...
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Nice!
"Mastodon is currently considered *the* alternative to Twitter. SURF [the IT cooperative of Dutch education and research] and Universities of the Netherlands are therefore jointly exploring how a Mastodon environment for education and research in the Netherlands can take shape."
https://www.surf.nl/en/mastodon-pilot-for-research-and-education
@stefan
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The thing with such people is that if they didn't go so far, I wouldn't have an issue.
There's nothing wrong with talking about the issues in the West Bank per se (though I'd ask why not discuss other human tragedies and only talk about Israel) but when one talks about Israel as an illegitimate state or makes allusions to antisemitic tropes, it's clear this absolutely doesn't belong on a site like this, and never from an admin.
The Israelian government is largely seen as racist colonialistic and genocidal. It is always, ALWAYS a good moment to be reminded of that. And if we allow public officers to wear turbans or a kippah, we certainly should allow a Mastodon admin to remind us of who is who.
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The thing with such people is that if they didn't go so far, I wouldn't have an issue.
There's nothing wrong with talking about the issues in the West Bank per se (though I'd ask why not discuss other human tragedies and only talk about Israel) but when one talks about Israel as an illegitimate state or makes allusions to antisemitic tropes, it's clear this absolutely doesn't belong on a site like this, and never from an admin.
@serge @lavaeolus @stefan Oh, and your choice of words like "such people" and "perse" is nailbiting.
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@serge @lavaeolus @stefan Oh, and your choice of words like "such people" and "perse" is nailbiting.
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@serge @lavaeolus @stefan Wow, just.... Wow....
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The Israelian government is largely seen as racist colonialistic and genocidal. It is always, ALWAYS a good moment to be reminded of that. And if we allow public officers to wear turbans or a kippah, we certainly should allow a Mastodon admin to remind us of who is who.
@KoosPol You speak of "Israelian government", but then about allowing "public officers to wear turbans or a kippah" - which is already conflating Israel with Jews elsewhere.
Also, allow "to remind us of who is who" - wtf are you talking about?1) weirdly conflating religion of unrelated people with the action of a state
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@serge @lavaeolus @stefan Wow, just.... Wow....
@serge @lavaeolus @stefan He blocked me, hahahaaa....!
Just to not get confused on who said what, I'll wear this as a badge of honor: -
@KoosPol You speak of "Israelian government", but then about allowing "public officers to wear turbans or a kippah" - which is already conflating Israel with Jews elsewhere.
Also, allow "to remind us of who is who" - wtf are you talking about?1) weirdly conflating religion of unrelated people with the action of a state
2) not the act of reminding, but the focus of "80 years", i.e. the whole existence, is what I take issue with@lavaeolus @serge @stefan Hi there. Yes, I agree. My mind is usually much quicker than my fingers. In my mind it was a pretty solid argument. But ofcourse, if you look at it from the outside it's pretty flimsy. Let me fill in some side comments should have added in the first place:
The turbans/kippah mention was about double standards. Generally we allow people to speak out for what their (not necessarily religious) beliefs are. Even by public officials. I see so issue with a Mastodon admin making a stand. This is in no way a conflation of religion and state.
The 80 years "frame" (for lack of a better word, English is not my first language) does not exist in a vacuum. It's sort of a whataboutism. We can't solve all the problems of the world. But if we see one, it's worth addressing. And then we shouldn't drag other problems to it and complain that that one wasn't solved too.
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@KoosPol You speak of "Israelian government", but then about allowing "public officers to wear turbans or a kippah" - which is already conflating Israel with Jews elsewhere.
Also, allow "to remind us of who is who" - wtf are you talking about?1) weirdly conflating religion of unrelated people with the action of a state
2) not the act of reminding, but the focus of "80 years", i.e. the whole existence, is what I take issue with@lavaeolus @serge @stefan One more thing I forgot:
"Also, allow "to remind us of who is who" - wtf are you talking about?"
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Nice!
"Mastodon is currently considered *the* alternative to Twitter. SURF [the IT cooperative of Dutch education and research] and Universities of the Netherlands are therefore jointly exploring how a Mastodon environment for education and research in the Netherlands can take shape."
https://www.surf.nl/en/mastodon-pilot-for-research-and-education
"Twitter"? Sounds like the article from 2023?
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@Bradley_JF @rejzor @stefan
Very much this. Would help some to not panic over business presence here:
"I am gonna block instance X or Y if they ever alow ads!!!"
- Yes ads are horrible but if coca cola has an account on a big instance it wont give them tools to track you automated and their posts are just posts (technically).
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@lavaeolus @serge @stefan Hi there. Yes, I agree. My mind is usually much quicker than my fingers. In my mind it was a pretty solid argument. But ofcourse, if you look at it from the outside it's pretty flimsy. Let me fill in some side comments should have added in the first place:
The turbans/kippah mention was about double standards. Generally we allow people to speak out for what their (not necessarily religious) beliefs are. Even by public officials. I see so issue with a Mastodon admin making a stand. This is in no way a conflation of religion and state.
The 80 years "frame" (for lack of a better word, English is not my first language) does not exist in a vacuum. It's sort of a whataboutism. We can't solve all the problems of the world. But if we see one, it's worth addressing. And then we shouldn't drag other problems to it and complain that that one wasn't solved too.
I hope it makes more sense now.@KoosPol Well, you see how your original post can be very easily misunderstood.
For the record, I disagree with @serge calling you a "Nazi".
In the same way the admin is allowed his speech, Serge is allowed to point out the potential issues with the way he phrased things (phrases do not exist in a vacuum, too). And in the same way, I'm allowed to voice my displeasure with those phrases.
Nothing more happened, nothing less.
