@benroyce i agree its not either / or. But as we touched one before, all your energy is for the election, and when the dems win, a its back to business as usual.

But not only will the wars, the support for genocide in Palestine and deportations continue, but the fascists will be back, and worse, over and over again until they finally take power definitively.

Voting can be harm reduction, go for it! But it's a temporary band-aid. And unfortunately, the vast majority of voters think filling a ballot is the end of their responsibility to the world. Personally i think your fiery rhetoric would be put to better use combating that apathy instead of rallying agaisnt those trying to build direct democracy.

@benroyce its not a lie. Its my honest analysis of histoy and geo-politics. Maybe im wrong. But its not a lie.
My goal isnt to discourage people from voting, but to encourage participation in alternative organizating and infrastructure that will, hopfully, long outlast both the comming blue wave and the equally inevitable swing back to the right that always comes after.

I will try to take your advice, and focus on promoting alternative action instead of criticizing voting.
And maybe you can take some advice from me, and be a bit more dicerning about who you call fascists and trolls. Just because someone dont share your tactics doesn't mean they are your enemy.

@benroyce again, you keep strawmaning me with this revolutionary violence trope (not to mention all the name-calling), but im talking about forming and participating in assemblies and unions, organizing collectives to cover our basic needs, providing material support for communities building autonomy, visibilizing struggles,

And for the 3rd or 4th time, im not against people voting. So you can stop beating that dead horse.

@benroyce i oppose fascism daily. I just dont think voting in this style of democracy is the best way to go about it. That proposal gave the world Hitler, Mussolini and Trump. My proposal got us the 8 hour work day, union protections, civil rights, universal suffrage, etc, etc.
Again, Im not against you or anyone else voting. I do think it can serve as harm reduction. But in the long term, the system is a lost cause and the sooner we start working on alternatives the better.

Btw, I appreciate you not calling me a "TROLL" for the first time in this conversion ️

@benroyce yeah, just back business as usuall if it's your party doing the bombing and deporting...

@benroyce wow. You just really want to fight. I hope you maintain that energy after election season ️‍

@benroyce and yet i didnt ask a single question...
I honestly hope that people with your best intrests get into office and do the most harm reduction they can.
I just choose to focus on things i find way more empowering than voting and i dont think you should feel threatend by it.

@benroyce im just expressing my ideas. But you're obviously not ready to have a good faith discussion. I would just like to point out i said "community organizing and direct action" which you replaced with the strawman "fight in the streets as a revolutionary cosplayer", which is extremely disingenuous.
Good day!

@benroyce you almost convinced me, then i remembered Obama's deportation and bombing numbers. Community organizing and direct action is the way forward and electoral politics is literally the system that got us where we are today.

Nothing against others voting though. Maybe you will get some harm reduction. Or maybe you'll be complicit in crimes against humanity. Probably a bit of both.

Remember the vast majority of rights and freedoms we have today, worldwide, weren't voted for but fought for.