@caffetino Yes indeed

@urlyman

@DoubleTreble Yes! Childhood holidays in the countryside in our own country are happy memories that stay with us for years.

@jakobtougaard @TCatInReality

@richpuchalsky They are the same thing. A mass boycott is just a collection of individual actions.

@experimentmapass This resonates. It is very unnerving to see the lack of meaningful change.

@tompearce49 @annaf @marjon

@urlyman @pietkuip @marjon

"The very little that an individual can do is how we come to be where we are, through trillions of very little but destructive and destabilising things." Yes. Well put. We must indeed choose differently, including individually.

@wannabemystiker True, unfortunately. I was thinking of this contrast earlier: about once a year, someone learns for the first time that Captain Boycott was a real English land agent who was ostracized in the 1880s by the entire local community in Mayo. That person posts about it online. It goes viral. Everyone cheers those already poverty-stricken people who took action at great risk and invented 'the boycott'. But proposals for inconvenient modern boycotts meet no cheering.

@clew @hamishb

@experimentmapass Yes, that would be both a comfort and an actual help

@tompearce49 @annaf @marjon

@experimentmapass I had really hoped this was going to have some cultural tipping-point effect, but apparently not. Or not so far, at any rate.

@tompearce49 @annaf @marjon

@psneeze I was genuinely wondering if it was an art installation, imagining tinny plinky-plonky arty-installation music playing as you stood there. Then I see in the thread that it's a car park in Naas and I don't know what to think about that.

@Eetschrijver @hemlockcookie If the number of heatwave deaths in each country were the result of a virus, there'd be emergency measures and lockdowns and preventative measures.

@MThaastrup Fantastisk foto

@clew @hamishb I've been thinking about that a lot lately too - the power we have collectively if we mass-boycotted, say, Amazon. Or those cheap fast-fashion companies that pay low wages and use so much of the planet's energy to make and deliver throwaway clothes. They wouldn't and couldn't do that if so many individual people didn't buy things from them. But as you say - there are rarely any takers when we say the word 'boycott'.

@harib_murshidi @dckim Oh no - it was me not making it clear! I just tapped it out, knowing the context in my own head - not easy to get through a screen

@richpuchalsky Mass boycotts are political action, I think. Like the South Africa apartheid boycott. They make our demands for action clear to politicians. If holiday flights were boycotted, the statement wouldn't just be about consuming less fuel. It would reduce numbers travelling through airports, which are basically shopping malls. And have other knock-on economic effects. This time, there would be no Covid lockdown subsidies for businesses losing money. Anything seems worth a try right now.

@harib_murshidi We are in agreement

@dckim

@harib_murshidi @dckim Sorry if it was unclear - I meant it ironically. My point was exactly that - that over-consumption and flights are not regular things for the majority of people on the planet. And that the '10%' minority who have these privileges can modify their behaviour as a collective signal, instead of just pointing at the 1% and saying: I will not change my consumer behaviour until the billionaires all give up their jets'.

@annaf

"I just imagine a world where you say ‘hey there’s this big problem’ and people around you are like ‘let’s work on this together, you’re not alone’ that would be awesome" - that would indeed be awesome. The way things are going, we need that.

@tompearce49 @marjon

@dckim @harib_murshidi I think we need to bring the 10% (or whatever the figure is; it's somewhere around that) into the conversation as well as the 1%. Those of us who have the privilege to over-consume and take unnecessary flights are a small minority of all people on the planet. Collectively, we have actual consumer power to boycott and give clear signals to politicians.

@dckim @harib_murshidi On the plus side, as long as those billionaires keep flying private jets and sailing private yachts and wearing expensive wristwatches and driving Lamborghinis, then the rest of us don't have to do anything. We don't have to give up holiday flights or fast fashion or regular mobile phone upgrades or make any changes whatsoever to our consumer behaviour. Thank heavens for billionaires!