@evan @scottjenson @carnage4life I would argue that the history of technology is defined by working with increasing levels of abstraction. First you were plugging in wires, then you had simple instruction sets, then low level languages, then high level languages, and now we can use natural language to write software. Every time this happened, we found new sources of inspiration and made cool and useful new things. I see LLMs as part of that story and not fundamentally different. In my opinion, hackers are ultimately people who trade in ideas, the technology is more the means to actualize the ideas. If you get too attached to specific technologies you'll have a problem when the world changes and the focus shifts to new technologies. So I see the cultural side of the issue as something that people can potentially adapt to.

That said, yes LLMs being pushed by capitalist entities are definitely reducing the economic value of information-based labor. But that's unfortunately also the latest iteration of a long story of industrialization and automation. I believe we should fight against the devaluation of labor by capitalists, but I think that we should be more focused on policy than technology in that fight.

@evan @scottjenson @carnage4life I agree. I would rather talk about how we can improve LLMs and their applications than post anti-AI memes and shame people who use LLMs.

For example, let's use more voluntary training data, let's make smaller, more efficient models, let's do more quality control with the output, let's protect authors and artists from having their work stolen, let's not over-rely on LLMs or use them for things they are bad at. These are actionable steps we can take to improve the world with LLMs in it.

I do not believe that the "LLMs are categorically evil" approach is going to have any good results. The genie is out of the bottle, people find this technology very useful in certain ways. We might as well try to reduce the harms and improve the outcomes of using LLMs rather than chase after a cultural or legal prohibition which will never really be effective.