@outfrost So, what I think (but feel free to ask people at SKG if I'm right) is :
- Sending your ID or face to verify your age online would be completely banned
- But age verification itself would not be banned
- The solution for age verification should be open source (so you can see what it does), decentralized (so you or anyone can host it) and receive independent security audits (so you know it's safe). Other companies who claim privacy are not doing that so you just have to take their word for it.
- If countries make stuff like furry art illegal or LGBT+ topics illegal, then that's sadly beyond the scope of this ECI which only focuses on age verification online

It's not a perfect solution but it's already a step in the right direction as opposed to now where private companies use an AI to process your ID and face

@nyovaya @EUCommission @StopKillingGames @imbl True, I'm also against it but between the unregulated minefield that is the case now and an open source solution I would prefer that one.

And if it's open source I think anyone can make a fork to just bypass it too, so that can be cool too.

Just, going from "Social media bans and ID age verification everywhere" to "No age verification anywhere" is probably not gonna pass at the eu commission.

@nyovaya @EUCommission @StopKillingGames @imbl Yeah exactly, currently age verification involves sending your ID and scanning your face and sending those to company servers.

If we can get this to be gone it's already a step in the right direction in my opinion.

@fothsid Yeah sadly that's how the system works. But at least you can share it to people you know who might be EU citizens! Just like I'm doing with this post!

@atom @sam You do need to fill in your personal info so they can check for duplicates and if they have 1 million unique signatures, that's how the EU system works sadly. At one point I think you could also send them a letter for that, IDK if that's possible still.

But they don't scan your face or ID.

@Korawolfsrain Awesome :3

@Korawolfsrain This is strange! Well, at least it works now, right?

@Korawolfsrain I have no idea, it works for me. Try a different network or browser maybe?

(What kind of network provider blocks the ECI website??)

@Frisk After reading the annex, I see
"Citizens must not be required to identify themselves to access lawful online content or services unless strictly necessary, proportionate, and provided by law"

I think, in that case, that means no ID age verification unless it's for like doing taxes and stuff where your ID is needed, and otherwise no verification, and the verification for these must be open source, decentralized etc?

For example with social media bans, facebook doesn't NEED your id for you to open an account so that would be against the law?

@Frisk I said that it was against ️ID️ age verification. Having a privacy friendly solution that doesn't require you to send your ID or reveal your identity is already better.

From their page :

"The legislation should require anonymous or pseudonymous proof-of-age, data minimisation, selective disclosure, open-source implementation, independent security audits, prohibition of cross-service tracking by relying parties, and equivalent alternatives for citizens who do not use a digital wallet."

That's already way better than "Send your ID and face to persona". It's not perfect but it's moving in the right direction!

Moving this to the replies since it's less important, but I'm the dev of a #firefox add-on to get past age verification on some of these sites so that's great news for me too!

https://github.com/helloyanis/age-verification-bypass

#privacy #ageverification

European Citizen's Initiative against ID age verification online

Just yesterday, Stop Killing the Internet, from the people at @StopKillingGames, launched an ECI against ID age verification! This is great but it needs 1 million signatures !

So, if you are a citizen of #eu , please sign it! If you don't, or even if you do, still share it around so more people know about it and can sign it!

https://eci.ec.europa.eu/066/public/#/screen/home

Reaching the signature threshold will not mean that ID age verification will immediately become illegal, but the subject will be brought to the @EUCommission and they'll have to do SOMETHING about it. This is already a huge step in the right direction!

Please boost and share this post to spread the word! Thank you!

@privacy

#stopkillingtheinternet #ageverification #privacy #europe