@707Kat @silverwizard @bkuhn @cwebber Right. That is probably the most obvious example that the goal is obviously tainting open source.

@ossguy Thank you for confirming that you just want to push over the copyright issue with framing it as DEI. There are no LLMs that do not have the copyright issue and you should know this very well.

The correct approach is to teach people about the copyright issues with LLMs and teach them how they can use LLMs to learn, help them understand a code base, review their changes and, well, become an actual programmer and write the code themselves, without AI tainting copyright.

@ossguy That is not the discussion your blog post is asking for. It is asking to include LLM-using people cosplaying as software engineers in the open source community. This basically says “Considering the copyright issue would exclude people who have no idea about programming and excluding people is bad, hence LLM code needs to be accepted in order to be inclusive”. Trying to frame this as a DEI issue is a really, really, really evil way of trying to push aside the copyright concerns. On top of being insulting to other DEI efforts.

@bkuhn @wwahammy @silverwizard @cwebber Way to ignore the entire copyright point…

Unfortunately, this is what always has been done by LLM proponents: Whenever the copyright question comes up, it just gets ignored.

I guess that is the same way the AI techbros operate: “Let’s just ignore the copyright for now, get AI-tainted code into everything and then hopefully AI code tainted so much that judges don’t want to open that can of worms!”. Until they finally do because some big companies with enough lawyer money start to fight it all the way.

With the current rate of AI tainting everything, maybe it’s time to look for hobbies and jobs that don’t involve computers…