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  • ailurocrat@scicomm.xyzA ailurocrat@scicomm.xyz

    @Recalcitrant @regendans @baedling @LukefromDC https://sabot.media/post/open-letter-ai this too

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    #97

    @ailurocrat @Recalcitrant @regendans @baedling @LukefromDC If I'm reading this right, terrorism is being defined as "competing against large commercial entities".

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    • lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL lukefromdc@kolektiva.social

      To eveyone on Mastodon:

      The real lesson of the US attack on autistici/inventi is that WE ARE NEXT. Mastodon servers mostly do not run things like PRISM, are often based outside the US, and compete directly with the Tech Bros and their ad and tracker supported shit for an audience.

      Also lots of anti-Trump activism here.

      If we don't fight for autistici/inventi today, we will have to fight for Mastodon tomorrow. Domino effects are real with Fascists as we saw at the start of WWII.

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      #98

      @LukefromDC

      I think the #Fediverse is still under the radar for most fascists - but then again, the Fediverse is under the radar of everyone but its users right now. They tend to focus on #Bluesky as a hate target first and foremost, because most prominent liberals gather there.

      That being said, improving the resilience of the Fediverse in any way we can is still an excellent idea - if Bluesky goes the way of Twitter, we will be the next target.

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      • magnus@venner.networkM magnus@venner.network

        @joeblowenarbol @s1m0n4 @thisislieven @LukefromDC yes! And guess what, the ruling powers are also at war with hawala systems

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        #99

        @magnus

        I didn't know about hawala, I've just read the wiki page.
        That must be pretty convenient. I wish there was such a system here too.
        @joeblowenarbol @thisislieven @LukefromDC

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        • thisislieven@c.imT thisislieven@c.im

          @bms

          Ok, so I am not a tech expert and my best understanding of your reply is that somehow the Danish people are involved and I think we don't like them but I am not quite sure (I know a fair few - lovely people as far as I can tell).

          I appreciate your reply but do you have a non-jargon translation?

          @LukefromDC

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          #100

          @thisislieven @bms @LukefromDC
          DANE is an acronym (see the Wikipedia link).

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          • dec23k@mastodon.ieD dec23k@mastodon.ie

            @thisislieven @bms @LukefromDC
            DANE is an acronym (see the Wikipedia link).

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            #101

            @dec23k @bms @LukefromDC

            It was a (bad?) joke. My point is more that while I genuinely appreciate the effort in the reply it is also highly technical. For someone not fully versed in these things (me, and millions of others) it might as well be written in Kalaallisut.

            Especially when it is about a threat towards Mastodon/fedi it probably helps if everyone can understand what's going on and what we can do.

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            • bms@mastodon.bsd.cafeB bms@mastodon.bsd.cafe

              @Socltime @thisislieven @s1m0n4 @LukefromDC Hate to point out a rude awakening here, but... Good luck getting UK retail banks to support SEPA payments via IBAN correctly, at least, when I tried in the 2000s with Halifax as a personal retail customer, I got NO RESPONSE WHATSOEVER when I asked about it in writing, despite an earlier grudging compensatory response when I was the target of ATM card cloning. As far as they were concerned at the time, the regulations may as well not have been written, and I was well aware of them then and now. The situation may be somewhat better now, but it entirely depends on which specific UK bank one is using.

              I can't do Revolut because they're avid LLM users and are too tied to Google in their tech stack, and their privacy policy is quite abusive. They make exercising GDPR Article 17 difficult as they are obstructive in that sense. I CANNOT condone or recommend Revolut in any way.

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              #102

              @bms @Socltime @thisislieven @s1m0n4 @LukefromDC
              I am aware that Barclays Bank (UK) supports SEPA/IBAN.

              All SEPA transactions are in € so the UK bank will need to do currency exchange.

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              • lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL lukefromdc@kolektiva.social

                To eveyone on Mastodon:

                The real lesson of the US attack on autistici/inventi is that WE ARE NEXT. Mastodon servers mostly do not run things like PRISM, are often based outside the US, and compete directly with the Tech Bros and their ad and tracker supported shit for an audience.

                Also lots of anti-Trump activism here.

                If we don't fight for autistici/inventi today, we will have to fight for Mastodon tomorrow. Domino effects are real with Fascists as we saw at the start of WWII.

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                #103

                @LukefromDC btw I just read an article in Italian that describes Mastodon as an "anonymous social network used to discuss actions and ideas for subverting the status quo."

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                • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

                  @LukefromDC We also need to be laying the groundwork for the next generation of decentralized social networking that can't be dismantled this way. The fediverse is incredibly vulnerable to DNS seizure (the technical part of the attack on A/I) to break federation and relationships across instances, and that vulnerability is entirely gratuitous from bad design choices in the protocol and failure to give users autonomous identity.

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                  #104

                  @dalias @LukefromDC on the one hand I really respect that Mastodon et al. Have managed to build a functioning system without getting lost in the sauce of cryptography, but yes we are literally at war with the ruling class so we need to be able to survive their attacks

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                  • s1m0n4@ohai.socialS s1m0n4@ohai.social

                    @magnus

                    I didn't know about hawala, I've just read the wiki page.
                    That must be pretty convenient. I wish there was such a system here too.
                    @joeblowenarbol @thisislieven @LukefromDC

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                    #105

                    @s1m0n4 @joeblowenarbol @thisislieven @LukefromDC it's worldwide. My dad knew someone who got stranded on a pretty remote island and needed money sent their way. No banks or Western Union could send money to that location. But the local Somali travel agency in Copenhagen? Sure, no problem. It's worldwide

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                    • gwadej@mas.toG gwadej@mas.to

                      @ailurocrat @Recalcitrant @regendans @baedling @LukefromDC If I'm reading this right, terrorism is being defined as "competing against large commercial entities".

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                      #106

                      @gwadej @ailurocrat @regendans @baedling @LukefromDC terrorism is being defined as “letting the Kurdistan Workers’ Party have a blog or email address”

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                      • recalcitrant@autonomous.zoneR recalcitrant@autonomous.zone

                        @gwadej @ailurocrat @regendans @baedling @LukefromDC terrorism is being defined as “letting the Kurdistan Workers’ Party have a blog or email address”

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                        #107

                        @Recalcitrant @gwadej @ailurocrat @regendans @baedling Which is really fucked after the US was forced to help the YPG and YPJ fight in order to stop the cancerous growth of DAESH. Some "thanks" for their service in war!

                        Well, there's an old Kurdish saying that the Kurds have no friends but the mountains. At least the mountains are good friends to have..

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                        • juergen_hubert@mementomori.socialJ juergen_hubert@mementomori.social

                          @LukefromDC

                          I think the #Fediverse is still under the radar for most fascists - but then again, the Fediverse is under the radar of everyone but its users right now. They tend to focus on #Bluesky as a hate target first and foremost, because most prominent liberals gather there.

                          That being said, improving the resilience of the Fediverse in any way we can is still an excellent idea - if Bluesky goes the way of Twitter, we will be the next target.

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                          #108

                          @juergen_hubert First up for Bluesky is ID based age verification. They already have to block direct access from one US state (Louisiana?) to avoid this law.

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                          • gwadej@mas.toG gwadej@mas.to

                            @ailurocrat @Recalcitrant @regendans @baedling @LukefromDC If I'm reading this right, terrorism is being defined as "competing against large commercial entities".

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                            #109

                            @gwadej @ailurocrat @Recalcitrant @regendans @baedling

                            That's like Axel Springer whining if the RAF (the guerillas not the air force) had run a competing newspaper instead of blowing up his office.

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                            • magnus@venner.networkM magnus@venner.network

                              @joeblowenarbol @s1m0n4 @thisislieven @LukefromDC yes! And guess what, the ruling powers are also at war with hawala systems

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                              #110

                              @magnus @joeblowenarbol @s1m0n4 @thisislieven They are at war with all of Arabia, for the exact same reason Hitler invaded North Africa. The spice must flow...

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                              • lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL lukefromdc@kolektiva.social

                                @gwadej @ailurocrat @Recalcitrant @regendans @baedling

                                That's like Axel Springer whining if the RAF (the guerillas not the air force) had run a competing newspaper instead of blowing up his office.

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                                #111

                                @gwadej @ailurocrat @Recalcitrant @regendans @baedling
                                A humorous note: Axel Springer actually worked as an editor for an officially approved newspaper in Nazi Germany.

                                https://truthlytics.com/axel-springer-nazi-zionist-propagandist/

                                Therefore he had to sweat twice about being "bombed by RAF..."

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                                • crazyeddie@mastodon.socialC crazyeddie@mastodon.social

                                  @clickhere @baedling @LukefromDC One of the easiest and best first step is probably to sign up for Tuta or Proton or something and start using it.

                                  Start taking your privacy very seriously. Learn as much as you can about how much you are sharing and how to stop.

                                  And I think they suggested trying to make as many people as aware of this as you can. If not, that should help also.

                                  Insist on the type of communication systems they provided and don't settle.

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                                  #112

                                  @crazyeddie @clickhere @LukefromDC i use tuta, proton, and A/I emails, my phone runs iodeOS and has no service, i have mullvad vpn on everything, and i never use my name for anything other than like, banking stuff.

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                                  • cbw@techhub.socialC cbw@techhub.social

                                    @dalias @LukefromDC There's this thing called GNUnet, but it seems to be a very slow development...

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                                    @cbw @dalias @LukefromDC Yup. For those interested, a great watch about #GNUnet is this short introductory talk, given at FOSDEM 2020: https://www.invidious.tiekoetter.com/watch?v=qZYI-3Q1INI

                                    > DNS [...] not only does not provide you any kind of security, but it's also arguably managed and governed by by corrupt organizations (which we have seen with the .ORG case just recently) [...] we cannot actually use it to build decentralized applications on top [...]
                                    >
                                    > And that is where the vision of the GNUnet project actually starts. So, GNUnet wants to basically build a full stack that provides you with the individual layers of the ISO/OSI stack, so that decentralised applications can be built in a meaningful way.

                                    (03:00-03:44)

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                                    • crayon@social.tchncs.deC crayon@social.tchncs.de

                                      @cbw @dalias @LukefromDC Yup. For those interested, a great watch about #GNUnet is this short introductory talk, given at FOSDEM 2020: https://www.invidious.tiekoetter.com/watch?v=qZYI-3Q1INI

                                      > DNS [...] not only does not provide you any kind of security, but it's also arguably managed and governed by by corrupt organizations (which we have seen with the .ORG case just recently) [...] we cannot actually use it to build decentralized applications on top [...]
                                      >
                                      > And that is where the vision of the GNUnet project actually starts. So, GNUnet wants to basically build a full stack that provides you with the individual layers of the ISO/OSI stack, so that decentralised applications can be built in a meaningful way.

                                      (03:00-03:44)

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                                      @cbw @dalias @LukefromDC Also, here's a 5-minute explanation on how a core component of GNUnet, the GNS (GNU name system) works: https://www.invidious.tiekoetter.com/watch?v=bB9SC4kD27Y

                                      (Speaker is Christian Grothoff, who's also one of the lead developers of @Taler)

                                      Let's spread the word! 🌞

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                                      • bms@mastodon.bsd.cafeB bms@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                                        @Socltime @thisislieven @s1m0n4 @LukefromDC Hate to point out a rude awakening here, but... Good luck getting UK retail banks to support SEPA payments via IBAN correctly, at least, when I tried in the 2000s with Halifax as a personal retail customer, I got NO RESPONSE WHATSOEVER when I asked about it in writing, despite an earlier grudging compensatory response when I was the target of ATM card cloning. As far as they were concerned at the time, the regulations may as well not have been written, and I was well aware of them then and now. The situation may be somewhat better now, but it entirely depends on which specific UK bank one is using.

                                        I can't do Revolut because they're avid LLM users and are too tied to Google in their tech stack, and their privacy policy is quite abusive. They make exercising GDPR Article 17 difficult as they are obstructive in that sense. I CANNOT condone or recommend Revolut in any way.

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                                        #115

                                        @bms @thisislieven @s1m0n4 @LukefromDC please don’t get me wrong, i do not support Revolut at all.

                                        I just wanted to point out, that there are regulatory groundworks (SEPA) there already and there are indeed British banks that implemented this for their continental clients.

                                        Currently 60 banks support wero according to werotracker.eu and 129 online shops. Too little of course, but a start: https://werotracker.eu

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                                        • socltime@mastodon.onlineS socltime@mastodon.online

                                          @bms @thisislieven @s1m0n4 @LukefromDC please don’t get me wrong, i do not support Revolut at all.

                                          I just wanted to point out, that there are regulatory groundworks (SEPA) there already and there are indeed British banks that implemented this for their continental clients.

                                          Currently 60 banks support wero according to werotracker.eu and 129 online shops. Too little of course, but a start: https://werotracker.eu

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                                          #116

                                          @Socltime @thisislieven @s1m0n4 @LukefromDC Thanks.

                                          I have no doubt the UK SEPA situation is probably considerably better than what I was faced with in the late 2000s where I was just looking to pay online German vendors without the overhead or fees of PayPal, but Halifax utterly giving me the silent treatment about something they were legally obliged to do was just unacceptable.

                                          There was a pattern of poor behaviour from Halifax ever since their demutualization. My father was a charted surveyor by trade so he was aware of who the "good" UK home lenders were from the late 70s to the late 80s; they were not the same organization by the time I returned to them as a retail bank customer after bad experiences with RBS, nor are they now, having not long left one of their now subsidiaries.

                                          Yeah, I was more pointing out that I'd tried Revolut to find I was being repeatedly asked for biometric authentication for relatively small things which their workflow demanded, i.e. changing email address. The "small print" points out the email address chosen has to be one which is accessible from the device where their app runs.

                                          The pro-"AI", pro-Musk crap their app spews just dug a deeper hole for the offering. Into the bin it went, but now they have my personal information, even though I'm not an active or willing customer; their documentation actually has the gall to insist it's the customer's responsibility to ADD funds to allow zeroing the balance by a transfer out. That is just... weird. It puts the onus on me to deal with it in writing with a basic request and instruction, and to pursue action against them through the UK ICO.

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