If you’re still using Proton mail:
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@Brett_E_Carlock @drsbaitso @alice @slothrop @fastmail @Tutanota I have been considering Mailbox.org for my eventual flight from gmail. It seems more like a basic ye olde mail provider rather than another lock-in. Someone can now tell me why they’re evil too…
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we also used to like #twitter
the unfortunate truth is plutocrats can destroy any company by buying it out
the only solution is to side eye any for profit business venture. it can be bought out, and once bought out, it can be gutted of its original purpose
of course there's also the phenomenon of the #techbro founding a company and winning adulation and *then* we find out about their true sentiments
(hello, #bluesky )
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@Ox1de that was my thought also @slothrop @protonmail
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why would i answer that
opsec matters
only give out that info you are comfortable that it can't be used against you
but i hear tuta is pretty cool
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@Brett_E_Carlock @drsbaitso @alice @slothrop @fastmail @Tutanota isn’t that the case with proton too?
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@Ox1de in what regard does this “story” (such as it is) seem misleading?
In any case, I too would welcome a clarification from
@protonmail -
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RE: https://nileane.fr/@nileane/116704285750838861
If you’re still using Proton mail:
The company is sponsoring the videos of French far-right / fascist YouTuber Vincent Lapierre.
If encryption is part of your vision for a better society, find a better service provider.
UPDATE 2026-06-08: Response from Proton. This comes after mods apparently deleted lots of critical posts in r/ProtonMail.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1u05xs2/comment/oqgihvq/
@slothrop from one fascist arsehole service to another. Fuck this shit, I think I'm going back to my own domain.
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i didn't feel like saying and then got all defensive 🤭
it's cool, we cool
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@draNgNon @benroyce @alice fwiw, I use a managed hosting service that includes email, on my own domain.
This may sound a little complicated, but it isn’t really. I set it up following the provider’s howtos. That was ca. 15 years ago, and it’s just been ticking along.
If that provider ever goes bad, I can just take my stuff elsewhere. The service itself is basically a commodity.
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@Infoseepage @slothrop What is a good alternative? Where did you go?
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RE: https://nileane.fr/@nileane/116704285750838861
If you’re still using Proton mail:
The company is sponsoring the videos of French far-right / fascist YouTuber Vincent Lapierre.
If encryption is part of your vision for a better society, find a better service provider.
UPDATE 2026-06-08: Response from Proton. This comes after mods apparently deleted lots of critical posts in r/ProtonMail.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1u05xs2/comment/oqgihvq/
@slothrop Oh man, I just switched to proton because the mail provider I used before is owned by a fascist /o\
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@slothrop from one fascist arsehole service to another. Fuck this shit, I think I'm going back to my own domain.
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RE: https://nileane.fr/@nileane/116704285750838861
If you’re still using Proton mail:
The company is sponsoring the videos of French far-right / fascist YouTuber Vincent Lapierre.
If encryption is part of your vision for a better society, find a better service provider.
UPDATE 2026-06-08: Response from Proton. This comes after mods apparently deleted lots of critical posts in r/ProtonMail.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1u05xs2/comment/oqgihvq/
@slothrop totally depressed by this. It has been a challenge to migrate all of my mail and friends and family on my domain off of Google's crap infrastructure. Have struggled with some shortcomings in Proton - their alias handling etc is terrible - but I am really upset to hear about fascist leanings etc. I just don't know how to up and migrate a whole bunch of people after a few months of getting people used to the shift.
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@yaxu well, your call, I guess?
@slothrop Anyone can sign up to be an affiliate as part of their partners program. Seems more plausible than a swiss email company taking the time to sponsor a far right youtuber? https://proton.me/partners/affiliates
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RE: https://nileane.fr/@nileane/116704285750838861
If you’re still using Proton mail:
The company is sponsoring the videos of French far-right / fascist YouTuber Vincent Lapierre.
If encryption is part of your vision for a better society, find a better service provider.
UPDATE 2026-06-08: Response from Proton. This comes after mods apparently deleted lots of critical posts in r/ProtonMail.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1u05xs2/comment/oqgihvq/
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Oh ffs. Is there a service provider who isn’t fash or fash adjacent? Idonly just managed to migrate away from gmail!
@tempusfelix @slothrop Ethics/sustainability/privacy are some of the reasons I chose Runbox:
They're also on the Fediverse: @runbox
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@uriel What do you mean by "advertisement on ads"?
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@draNgNon @benroyce @alice fwiw, I use a managed hosting service that includes email, on my own domain.
This may sound a little complicated, but it isn’t really. I set it up following the provider’s howtos. That was ca. 15 years ago, and it’s just been ticking along.
If that provider ever goes bad, I can just take my stuff elsewhere. The service itself is basically a commodity.
@slothrop well, despite comments to @benroyce about opsec...
so... I started using Proton just to move storage to the EU.
in that sense, for email, it's behind my own domain and could just be migrated (i.e. what you said doesn't sound complicated at all, other than DMARC issues).
but the other thing I use them for is photos, end2end encrypted, that then don't have to be also stored on my phone. migrating that would be more challenging. I looked for alternatives for a couple years, before establishing a Proton account.
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@slothrop @nileane I see. Can you recommend any reading I can reference in a support ticket, while I see how they respond?
I have already paid ahead for a year so, even if I swap today my money is already in their hands for services I paid up front for. I would prefer to pressure them by threatening I can take my money with me on my next payment date, rather than silently leaving without explaining why.
@theeclecticdyslexic @slothrop @nileane i do not think they will change their stance as their c?o/founder already supported trump and spewed other hyper capitalist right ideology shit himself.
and given that history i would still move anyways no matter what capitalsit ass saving response you get.
and i think you can just link to the french wikipedia. as proton embraced all this AI bullshit they will be able to translate (badly) themselves.
