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Is it genocide denial to refuse to use the word "genocide" for Gaza?

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  • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

    Is it genocide denial to refuse to use the word "genocide" for Gaza?

    #EvanPoll #poll #Gaza #genocide

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    @evan there is no genocide

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    • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

      Is it genocide denial to refuse to use the word "genocide" for Gaza?

      #EvanPoll #poll #Gaza #genocide

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      @evan Do you mind if I ask the people on the Atmosphere side of the open social web for thoughts (via @FromTheBSHQ / @thebloodyhellph.pp.ua)by manually cross-posting the thing for visibility?

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      • 2_beers@don.linxx.net2 2_beers@don.linxx.net

        @evan there is no genocide

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        @2_Beers @evan had to reply here instead of via main (context: @ajhalili2006), but a bit of diabolical take/statement for someone like me where its country experienced the same horrors of colonialism as Palestine, but care to elaborate further?

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        • ajhalili2006@tilde.zoneA ajhalili2006@tilde.zone

          @evan Do you mind if I ask the people on the Atmosphere side of the open social web for thoughts (via @FromTheBSHQ / @thebloodyhellph.pp.ua)by manually cross-posting the thing for visibility?

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          @evan @FromTheBSHQ @thebloodyhellph.pp.ua Did the thing: https://bsky.app/profile/thebloodyhellph.pp.ua/post/3mp7fnhepe22f

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          • ajhalili2006@tilde.zoneA ajhalili2006@tilde.zone

            @evan Do you mind if I ask the people on the Atmosphere side of the open social web for thoughts (via @FromTheBSHQ / @thebloodyhellph.pp.ua)by manually cross-posting the thing for visibility?

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            @ajhalili2006 @FromTheBSHQ @thebloodyhellph.pp.ua not at all, please do

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            • malte@radikal.socialM malte@radikal.social

              @evan Great poll and great question. I am curious what people think who said something different than me. I said yes.

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              @malte thank you!

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              • renata@cosocial.caR renata@cosocial.ca

                @malte @evan I also said yes and I think there's no other possible answer

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                @renata That's the great thing about polls. They give you some evidence to consider instead of just relying on what we think is possible. @evan

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                • fromthebshq@mstdn.socialF fromthebshq@mstdn.social

                  @2_Beers @evan had to reply here instead of via main (context: @ajhalili2006), but a bit of diabolical take/statement for someone like me where its country experienced the same horrors of colonialism as Palestine, but care to elaborate further?

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                  @FromTheBSHQ @evan @ajhalili2006 when was Palestine colonialized? 1920?

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                  • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

                    Is it genocide denial to refuse to use the word "genocide" for Gaza?

                    #EvanPoll #poll #Gaza #genocide

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                    @evan

                    Genocide is an extraordinarily strong charge, and I think there remains a case to say "I don't know enough at this point to support such a charge" (which is not denying it either). However, I think the charge of ethnic cleansing is incontrovertible.

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                    • emc2@indieweb.socialE emc2@indieweb.social

                      @evan

                      Genocide is an extraordinarily strong charge, and I think there remains a case to say "I don't know enough at this point to support such a charge" (which is not denying it either). However, I think the charge of ethnic cleansing is incontrovertible.

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                      @emc2 at which point does epistemological humility turn into denialism? When do you transition from a skeptical, evidence-based thinker into a monster? Have we passed that point with Gaza yet?

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                      • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

                        @emc2 at which point does epistemological humility turn into denialism? When do you transition from a skeptical, evidence-based thinker into a monster? Have we passed that point with Gaza yet?

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                        @evan

                        Rule of thumb, I think, is "are the skills required to have an informed opinion those of a historian, or more those of an intelligence analyst?"

                        More formally, this is the issue of probability vs. certainty.

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                        • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_denial

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                          @evan There's this article too with good supportive evidence t how genocide denial works in the specific case of Gaza https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide_denial

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