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  • angusm@mastodon.socialA angusm@mastodon.social

    @jay @cstross @annehargreaves @kamstrup The best `man` pages are written to be so opaque that the only people who can understand the `man` page are people who don't need the `man` page because they know it all already.

    Or possibly because they wrote the `man` page themselves.

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    #75

    @angusm @jay @annehargreaves @kamstrup I used to write (and maintain) man pages for a living. What does that make *me*?

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    • annehargreaves@ioc.exchangeA annehargreaves@ioc.exchange

      @kamstrup or there are 2 where the name mirrors each-other like adduser useradd just for lols

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      #76

      @annehargreaves @kamstrup I really like the naming of the cat/tac pair.

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      • kamstrup@fosstodon.orgK kamstrup@fosstodon.org

        I love how the Unix commands have such intuitive naming. Like 'find' if you need to find a file, or 'grep' if you need to grep for a string

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        #77

        @kamstrup Yes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes_(Unix)

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        • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

          @angusm @jay @annehargreaves @kamstrup I used to write (and maintain) man pages for a living. What does that make *me*?

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          #78

          @cstross @angusm @jay @annehargreaves @kamstrup
          A survivor.
          Rule 1, Charlie, Rule 1.

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          • kamstrup@fosstodon.orgK kamstrup@fosstodon.org

            I love how the Unix commands have such intuitive naming. Like 'find' if you need to find a file, or 'grep' if you need to grep for a string

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            #79

            @kamstrup "man" if you need something explained at you

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            • woe2you@beige.partyW woe2you@beige.party

              @marco @kamstrup Keystrokes are expensive.

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              #80

              @woe2you @marco @kamstrup Keystrokes were a bit expensive when Unix was created. Those teletypes tended to use a lot of paper (thermal paper, which came in long roles). And they were slow (I've used them).

              Warning - the video shows these things, but there is a lot of typical you-tube babbling.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeL3mbq1mEg

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              • kamstrup@fosstodon.orgK kamstrup@fosstodon.org

                I love how the Unix commands have such intuitive naming. Like 'find' if you need to find a file, or 'grep' if you need to grep for a string

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                #81

                @kamstrup

                DD because it's a funny reference to OS/360

                AWK because the author initials

                Excel because it's a excellent Visicalc

                Edge because browsers are edgy

                Safari because the internet is a jungle

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                • angusm@mastodon.socialA angusm@mastodon.social

                  @jay @cstross @annehargreaves @kamstrup The best `man` pages are written to be so opaque that the only people who can understand the `man` page are people who don't need the `man` page because they know it all already.

                  Or possibly because they wrote the `man` page themselves.

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                  #82

                  @angusm @cstross @annehargreaves @kamstrup There used to be a time when the gold standard for a man page was "You should be able to reverse engineer the program from this manpage". I recently tried to work out how to configure Thermald. Those days are long long gone.

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                  • kamstrup@fosstodon.orgK kamstrup@fosstodon.org

                    I love how the Unix commands have such intuitive naming. Like 'find' if you need to find a file, or 'grep' if you need to grep for a string

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                    #83

                    @kamstrup You have to grepulate it within the string.

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                    • renardboy@mastodon.socialR renardboy@mastodon.social

                      @kamstrup or fsck when you need to fsck

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                      #84

                      @renardboy @kamstrup fsck arnd && fnd out

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                      • stiiin@infosec.spaceS stiiin@infosec.space

                        @dsw @kamstrup Even if this equivalent of locker room humour were funny, half of those commands aren't even in POSIX.

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                        #85

                        @stiiin @dsw @kamstrup POSIX compliant humour only, please, everyone.

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                        • kamstrup@fosstodon.orgK kamstrup@fosstodon.org

                          I love how the Unix commands have such intuitive naming. Like 'find' if you need to find a file, or 'grep' if you need to grep for a string

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                          #86

                          @kamstrup bash - for how you treat your keyboard.

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                          • kamstrup@fosstodon.orgK kamstrup@fosstodon.org

                            I love how the Unix commands have such intuitive naming. Like 'find' if you need to find a file, or 'grep' if you need to grep for a string

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                            #87

                            @kamstrup Find has always frustrated me. I've found, locate(mlocate), to work much better for me.

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                            • brouhaha@mastodon.socialB brouhaha@mastodon.social

                              @kamstrup
                              Yep! You can't grep dead trees.

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                              #88

                              @brouhaha @kamstrup
                              I grep OCR'd dead tree media frequently

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                              • lallemandfabrice@mastodon.mim-libre.frL lallemandfabrice@mastodon.mim-libre.fr

                                @kamstrup and for non-English speakers ? 😩

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                                #89

                                @lallemandfabrice @kamstrup "grep" is not a word in english, it's actually an abbreviation of "g/re/p", a command in ed that (g)lobally looks for a (r)egular (e)xpression and (p)rints matching strings

                                but a lot of IT people actually use "grep" as a verb meaning "look through a file for mentions of a specific piece of text", like i might say "let me grep for this function", as in "let me look where this function's name is mentioned in the source code"

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                                • happyborg@fosstodon.orgH happyborg@fosstodon.org

                                  @kamstrup dd for delete data

                                  Maybe it was to encourage us to RTFM?

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                                  #90

                                  @happyborg @kamstrup I know it as disk destroyer!

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                                  • oggie@woof.groupO oggie@woof.group

                                    @kamstrup
                                    And 'ed' if you want to end up hurling your computer out a window!

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                                    @Oggie @kamstrup If you manage to get that done with ed, I'm way impressed.

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                                    • edavies@functional.cafeE edavies@functional.cafe

                                      @dsw Except it's “umount” because the mental energy required to remember to leave out the “n” is less than the physical energy required to press just press the damn key, especially on an ASR33. /s

                                      (Actually, last time I made a comment about this I was told that the reason was that very very early Unixes limited command lengths to 6 characters. There are two interpretations of the word “backward” in the phrase “backward compatibility”.)

                                      @kamstrup

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                                      #92

                                      @edavies @kamstrup this is indeed correct and would not work without a corresponding alias.

                                      As far I can see, there are several rumors for the missing n, like the one you mentioned. However, I did not find any evidence for the correct story behind.

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                                      • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                        @angusm @jay @annehargreaves @kamstrup I used to write (and maintain) man pages for a living. What does that make *me*?

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                                        #93

                                        @cstross @angusm @jay @kamstrup a meganerd?

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                                        • annehargreaves@ioc.exchangeA annehargreaves@ioc.exchange

                                          @cstross @angusm @jay @kamstrup a meganerd?

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                                          #94

                                          @annehargreaves @angusm @jay @kamstrup How very dare you! Writing man pages used to be a well-paid career!

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