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Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it?

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  • iamnotu@mastodon.socialI iamnotu@mastodon.social

    @emilymbender wait til we give human names to robots, like pets

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    #53

    @iamnotU @emilymbender well, people are talking about "chatty" 🙃

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    • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

      Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

      https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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      #54

      @emilymbender yes! So annoyed! Thank you for this.

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      • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

        Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

        https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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        #55

        @emilymbender

        While the idea is nice, the words you propose are too long and complicated. Saying "probabilistic, unverified software manipulator" is a tongue twister by itself.

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        • martinvermeer@fediscience.orgM martinvermeer@fediscience.org

          @Mimesatwork @Petesmom @emilymbender

          Some ideas. For AI in general, we could use 'corpus-based generation', like language, image, action, speech generation. What is characteristic for current AI is how they are built using these large bodies of (often stolen) 'stuff', typically from the Internet.

          I have a problem with 'undesirable output' for hallucination. Too vague for me. The undesirability is invariably a failure to be factually correct, which is what users expect from AI, an expectation that is both unreasonable and unwise for a language tool - but also real. Let's make that explicit: a 'factuality violation'.

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          #56

          @martinvermeer @emilymbender @Petesmom @Mimesatwork
          Undesirable output doesn’t feel right for me either, bur factuality violation has a connotation that all other output is factual right. I would approach it from a control system view (yes, I’m an engineer :-P) and call it error accumulation or windup.

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          • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

            Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

            https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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            #57

            @emilymbender Thanks! Going to organise a very necessary discussion in the fablab community about probabilistic systems and this helps a lot.

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            • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

              Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

              https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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              #58

              @emilymbender yes finding human pronouns a misfit. "It" nearly works but animals can be it. I'm experimenting with ko/kör (2nd) and zo/ze/zy (1st), so I have standing instructions for the LLM to produce e.g. "let ze generate this", "Zo generated that" and I respond chance kor approach. They are reminiscent to me of mathematical terms. Just a personal experiment.

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              • jeffcampo@mastodon.socialJ jeffcampo@mastodon.social

                @emilymbender also things like "predictive [text] slot-machine" have come up

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                #59

                @jeffcampo @emilymbender

                I am _so_ going to use "predictive [text] slot-machine"

                In Spain we call slot machines "tragaperras" which translates roughly to "coin swallowers".

                I think it also fits.

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                • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                  Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

                  https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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                  #60

                  @emilymbender
                  You had me at probabilistic, unverified software manipulator.

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                  • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                    Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

                    https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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                    #61

                    @emilymbender now I so want the same resource in French.

                    I've been struggling with exactly this

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                    • toadjaune@hostux.socialT toadjaune@hostux.social

                      @emilymbender now I so want the same resource in French.

                      I've been struggling with exactly this

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                      #62

                      @toadjaune Je crois que les mêmes stratégies doivent fonctionner assez bien.

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                      • kevinashworth@mastodon.socialK kevinashworth@mastodon.social

                        @emilymbender
                        You had me at probabilistic, unverified software manipulator.

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                        #63

                        @kevinashworth PUSMic FTW!

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                        • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                          Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

                          https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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                          #64

                          @emilymbender I did an AI training yesterday and the trainer referred to his various Copilot agents as "he" and "she." Would that be considered at all anthropomorphizing language?

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                          • strange_new_words@tenforward.socialS strange_new_words@tenforward.social

                            @emilymbender I did an AI training yesterday and the trainer referred to his various Copilot agents as "he" and "she." Would that be considered at all anthropomorphizing language?

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                            #65

                            @strange_new_words yes, as described in the linked post under names and pronouns.

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                            • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                              @strange_new_words yes, as described in the linked post under names and pronouns.

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                              #66

                              @emilymbender Yes, I'm reading it now. Stupid me for assuming anything would be too flagrant to be included.

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                              • iamnotu@mastodon.socialI iamnotu@mastodon.social

                                @emilymbender wait til we give human names to robots, like pets

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                                #67

                                @iamnotU @emilymbender To be fair, I've been naming my computers for decades now

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                                • kelson@notes.kvibber.comK kelson@notes.kvibber.com

                                  @iamnotU @emilymbender To be fair, I've been naming my computers for decades now

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                                  #68

                                  @kelson @emilymbender I've been calling my computer names for decades now

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                                  • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                    Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

                                    https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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                                    #69

                                    @emilymbender "synthetic text extruding machine" is a mouthful, but is also very funny yet very fitting

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                                    • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                      Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

                                      https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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                                      #70

                                      @emilymbender
                                      Call it LLM, because "AI" is a marketing proposition.

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                                      • imprinted@mastodon.unoI imprinted@mastodon.uno

                                        @emilymbender
                                        Call it LLM, because "AI" is a marketing proposition.

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                                        #71

                                        @Imprinted Wow -- did you reply without reading the newsletter in the post you're responding to or did you read it and decide that you needed to share this wisdom with me?

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                                        • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                          @Imprinted Wow -- did you reply without reading the newsletter in the post you're responding to or did you read it and decide that you needed to share this wisdom with me?

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                                          #72

                                          @emilymbender
                                          I read it and I agree with what you wrote. I'm saying that if we stick to the LLM definition, automatically there is no intelligence. But I'm no expert.

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