Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it?
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@Mimesatwork @Petesmom @emilymbender
Some ideas. For AI in general, we could use 'corpus-based generation', like language, image, action, speech generation. What is characteristic for current AI is how they are built using these large bodies of (often stolen) 'stuff', typically from the Internet.
I have a problem with 'undesirable output' for hallucination. Too vague for me. The undesirability is invariably a failure to be factually correct, which is what users expect from AI, an expectation that is both unreasonable and unwise for a language tool - but also real. Let's make that explicit: a 'factuality violation'.
@martinvermeer @emilymbender @Petesmom @Mimesatwork
Undesirable output doesn’t feel right for me either, bur factuality violation has a connotation that all other output is factual right. I would approach it from a control system view (yes, I’m an engineer :-P) and call it error accumulation or windup. -
Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:
https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/
@emilymbender Thanks! Going to organise a very necessary discussion in the fablab community about probabilistic systems and this helps a lot.
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Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:
https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/
@emilymbender yes finding human pronouns a misfit. "It" nearly works but animals can be it. I'm experimenting with ko/kör (2nd) and zo/ze/zy (1st), so I have standing instructions for the LLM to produce e.g. "let ze generate this", "Zo generated that" and I respond chance kor approach. They are reminiscent to me of mathematical terms. Just a personal experiment.
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@emilymbender also things like "predictive [text] slot-machine" have come up
I am _so_ going to use "predictive [text] slot-machine"
In Spain we call slot machines "tragaperras" which translates roughly to "coin swallowers".
I think it also fits.
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Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:
https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/
@emilymbender
You had me at probabilistic, unverified software manipulator. -
Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:
https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/
@emilymbender now I so want the same resource in French.
I've been struggling with exactly this
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@emilymbender now I so want the same resource in French.
I've been struggling with exactly this
@toadjaune Je crois que les mêmes stratégies doivent fonctionner assez bien.
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@emilymbender
You had me at probabilistic, unverified software manipulator.@kevinashworth PUSMic FTW!
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Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:
https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/
@emilymbender I did an AI training yesterday and the trainer referred to his various Copilot agents as "he" and "she." Would that be considered at all anthropomorphizing language?
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@emilymbender I did an AI training yesterday and the trainer referred to his various Copilot agents as "he" and "she." Would that be considered at all anthropomorphizing language?
@strange_new_words yes, as described in the linked post under names and pronouns.
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@strange_new_words yes, as described in the linked post under names and pronouns.
@emilymbender Yes, I'm reading it now. Stupid me for assuming anything would be too flagrant to be included.
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@emilymbender wait til we give human names to robots, like pets
@iamnotU @emilymbender To be fair, I've been naming my computers for decades now
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@iamnotU @emilymbender To be fair, I've been naming my computers for decades now
@kelson @emilymbender I've been calling my computer names for decades now
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Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:
https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/
@emilymbender "synthetic text extruding machine" is a mouthful, but is also very funny yet very fitting
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Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:
https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/
@emilymbender
Call it LLM, because "AI" is a marketing proposition. -
@emilymbender
Call it LLM, because "AI" is a marketing proposition.@Imprinted Wow -- did you reply without reading the newsletter in the post you're responding to or did you read it and decide that you needed to share this wisdom with me?
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@Imprinted Wow -- did you reply without reading the newsletter in the post you're responding to or did you read it and decide that you needed to share this wisdom with me?
@emilymbender
I read it and I agree with what you wrote. I'm saying that if we stick to the LLM definition, automatically there is no intelligence. But I'm no expert. -
@martinvermeer @emilymbender @Petesmom @Mimesatwork
Undesirable output doesn’t feel right for me either, bur factuality violation has a connotation that all other output is factual right. I would approach it from a control system view (yes, I’m an engineer :-P) and call it error accumulation or windup.@laslab @emilymbender @Petesmom @Mimesatwork
> factuality violation has a connotation that all other output is factual right
But that is the case, even if only by accident!
No, my reservation is that it suggests a formal error condition, like zerodivide or floating-point overflow, when in reality it is just a variant of normal operation. You cannot even know it happened until you, as a human, introduce external information...
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Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:
https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/
Super interesting topic, thank you. For wider adoption I think it would be desirable to find alternatives that are also neutral in their sentiment. I spent some time thinking about "agentic AI" where the proposed alternative was "probabilistic, unverified software manipulator" which I think is very far from neutral. What do you think about "language-guided iterative solver"?
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Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:
https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/
@emilymbender As we used to say, 'Knowledge wants to be free! But maybe it does not want to be anthropomorphized'
