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  3. France is rolling out Visio, a homegrown secure videoconferencing platform, to all government employees by 2027.

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  • i47i@hachyderm.ioI i47i@hachyderm.io

    @androcat @Yoshi

    And here's the game-changer: modern FOSS AI chatbots can automate 60-80% of Tier 1 support queries right now.

    FOSS LLM CHATBOT SOLUTIONS (Available Today):

    1. AnythingLLM (MIT license, fully open)
    • Runs ANY local LLM (no cloud/API needed)
    • Built-in RAG for documentation
    • Desktop + server deployment
    • Works on CPU or GPU
    • Cost: $0 + hardware

    2. LobeChat (Open source)
    • Multi-agent design
    • Voice interaction (TTS/STT)
    • Self-hosted, full privacy
    • Multi-device sync

    3. Open WebUI
    • Lightweight, fast
    • Ollama integration
    • Perfect for quick helpdesk queries

    BACKEND LLMs (Self-Hosted):
    • Mistral 7B / MiMo-V2-Flash: Run on consumer hardware
    • DeepSeek-V3.2: GPT-level reasoning, fully open (MIT)
    • LLaMA 4: Fine-tune on your org's support tickets

    THE MAGIC: These can be trained on:
    • Linux documentation
    • LibreOffice guides
    • Your organization's procedures
    • Historical support tickets

    RESULT:
    24/7 instant responses
    Context-aware (knows user's history)
    Handles common queries automatically
    Escalates complex issues to humans
    Zero per-query API costs
    Complete privacy (no data sent to vendors)

    REAL-WORLD EXAMPLE:
    Manufacturing company case study showed chatbot deflected 70% of password reset/basic config tickets, freeing support staff for strategic work.

    IMPLEMENTATION:
    • Phase 1 (3 months): Deploy pilot with AnythingLLM + Mistral 7B
    • Phase 2 (12 months): Scale to 60-80% Tier 1 automation
    • ROI breakeven: 6-12 months

    @androcat You're absolutely right—incremental "did you know" PSAs work. But imagine those delivered 24/7 by a chatbot that learns your patterns and proactively helps. That's available NOW with FOSS tools.

    The technology exists. The economics work. Europe's proving it at government scale. The question is: do organizations have the will to invest in long-term self-sufficiency over short-term convenience?

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    #22

    @i47i I should have known there are AI chatbots for these sorts of "lookup" tasks. A system that can assist from simple newbie questions to more advanced users would be very helpful. The Linux world needs to better market these AI support systems. For example Linux Mint could "push" regular tips to users. I spent nearly 40 years in high tech from Radio Shack TRS-80 to huge VAX 11/780 systems but the current tech baffles me in many ways. Thanks to you and androcat for the tips.

    @androcat

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    • androcat@toot.catA androcat@toot.cat

      @i47i @Yoshi

      And users will hate using those AI chatbots exactly as much as they already hate the MS-based chatbots.

      Value for money.

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      #23

      @androcat The "hate" could be a strong aversion to not knowing how and where their data are used. At least, that's why I look askance at anything MS or any other multi-billion dollar companies.

      @i47i

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      • yoshi@toot.communityY yoshi@toot.community

        @androcat The "hate" could be a strong aversion to not knowing how and where their data are used. At least, that's why I look askance at anything MS or any other multi-billion dollar companies.

        @i47i

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        #24

        @Yoshi @i47i

        The trick really is to make it as transparent as possible.

        Check if the question fits with a FAQ entry.
        If yes: Link to FAQ and check if that resolves.
        If any no: Go to ticket creation process (or live human chat if available)

        People absolutely hate being given the "well-meaning runaround" that LLMs excel at. It's a waste of time and everyone knows it innately.

        (And yes, the steps involved could just be a script, that's the general pattern for all things LLM - if they are good at it, it could be a script instead).

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        • androcat@toot.catA androcat@toot.cat

          @Yoshi @i47i

          The trick really is to make it as transparent as possible.

          Check if the question fits with a FAQ entry.
          If yes: Link to FAQ and check if that resolves.
          If any no: Go to ticket creation process (or live human chat if available)

          People absolutely hate being given the "well-meaning runaround" that LLMs excel at. It's a waste of time and everyone knows it innately.

          (And yes, the steps involved could just be a script, that's the general pattern for all things LLM - if they are good at it, it could be a script instead).

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          #25

          @androcat My take is biased by my level of understanding. I classify myself as "knows enough to be dangerous." The run around is about the same as one gets from clueless/powerless human support staff. I tried to get a refund from a human, it was a circle jerk of the first order.

          @i47i

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          • yoshi@toot.communityY yoshi@toot.community

            @androcat My take is biased by my level of understanding. I classify myself as "knows enough to be dangerous." The run around is about the same as one gets from clueless/powerless human support staff. I tried to get a refund from a human, it was a circle jerk of the first order.

            @i47i

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            #26

            @Yoshi

            Oh absolutely, but the human runaround happens because the human hasn't been empowered to perform the task (dark patterns).

            The runaround with LLMs happen because they don't really understand anything and so aren't able to recognize what their own limits are.

            If you ask them to do A, they will answer with a likely answer to someone asked to do A, "Yes, I will do that right now" - even if they do not actually have the API hookups to perform the action. A brain-dead yes-man.

            @i47i

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            • androcat@toot.catA androcat@toot.cat

              @Yoshi

              Oh absolutely, but the human runaround happens because the human hasn't been empowered to perform the task (dark patterns).

              The runaround with LLMs happen because they don't really understand anything and so aren't able to recognize what their own limits are.

              If you ask them to do A, they will answer with a likely answer to someone asked to do A, "Yes, I will do that right now" - even if they do not actually have the API hookups to perform the action. A brain-dead yes-man.

              @i47i

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              #27

              @androcat To the end-user, a runaround is a runaround, regardless of how it came to be. For me, with some level of understanding, I'd prefer a quick answer I can "fine tune" vs a slow answer that may still flawed.

              @i47i

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              • yoshi@toot.communityY yoshi@toot.community

                @androcat To the end-user, a runaround is a runaround, regardless of how it came to be. For me, with some level of understanding, I'd prefer a quick answer I can "fine tune" vs a slow answer that may still flawed.

                @i47i

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                #28

                @Yoshi @androcat

                I hate customer service chatbots as much as everyone else does. We're stuck with them, and I've had to learn how to work with them since there's simply no other option anymore. Many firms have moved to Messenger, WhatsApp, even Telegram for support.

                But @androcat, your point about transparency is exactly right, and I just experienced it done well.

                My bank recently changed their system to do precisely what you described: the chatbot does a quick FAQ check (and the LLM is actually quite effective at this), and if that doesn't resolve it, immediate escalation to a callback system - no waiting on hold, no runaround. A real human calls you back within minutes.

                It respects your time instead of trapping you in conversation loops. The chatbot handles what it's actually good at (matching questions to FAQs), then gets out of the way for human support.

                So it CAN work when designed with user needs in mind rather than just cost-cutting. The technology isn't the problem - it's whether companies have the will to implement it properly.

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                • i47i@hachyderm.ioI i47i@hachyderm.io

                  3/3

                  HOW EASY IS IT TO MOVE FROM MICROSOFT?

                  TECHNICALLY: Very feasible. Strong FOSS alternatives exist for everything:
                  Windows → Linux (Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora)

                  Office → OnlyOffice, LibreOffice

                  Exchange/Teams → Matrix/Element, Nextcloud

                  SQL Server → PostgreSQL, MariaDB

                  Benefits: No per-seat licenses, data sovereignty, transparent security, longer hardware life, no forced obsolescence.

                  THE REAL CHALLENGE: Organizational, not technical

                  Legacy Windows-only apps & VBA macros (need rewriting or VMs)

                  User retraining & change management (people lose muscle memory)

                  Political will & leadership commitment (critical!)

                  External partner expectations (.docx, Outlook, Teams)

                  SUCCESS FACTORS (proven by Lyon & Gendarmerie):
                  • Strong political backing at highest levels
                  • Adequate budget & realistic timeline
                  • Comprehensive training programs
                  • Willingness to maintain hybrid systems during transition
                  • Local/regional procurement (Lyon: 100% French contractors)

                  CURRENT MOMENTUM:
                  Denmark, Germany (Schleswig-Holstein), Netherlands, Italy, and Slovenia are all pursuing similar digital sovereignty initiatives through FOSS

                  Bottom line: #France proves that digital sovereignty through open source works at massive scale (103K+ workstations). They're not reinventing wheels—they're making smart use of mature, proven technology with European hosting and governance.

                  Lyon Register article: https://www.theregister.com/2025/06/26/lyon_leaving_microsoft/

                  #OpenSource #DigitalSovereignty #Linux #FOSS #France #Lyon #PublicSector #Ubuntu #Matrix #GendBuntu #Europe #Microsoft

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                  #29

                  @i47i Slovenia? You sure? We don't even distinguish Word from word processor app.

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                  • i47i@hachyderm.ioI i47i@hachyderm.io

                    @Yoshi @androcat

                    I hate customer service chatbots as much as everyone else does. We're stuck with them, and I've had to learn how to work with them since there's simply no other option anymore. Many firms have moved to Messenger, WhatsApp, even Telegram for support.

                    But @androcat, your point about transparency is exactly right, and I just experienced it done well.

                    My bank recently changed their system to do precisely what you described: the chatbot does a quick FAQ check (and the LLM is actually quite effective at this), and if that doesn't resolve it, immediate escalation to a callback system - no waiting on hold, no runaround. A real human calls you back within minutes.

                    It respects your time instead of trapping you in conversation loops. The chatbot handles what it's actually good at (matching questions to FAQs), then gets out of the way for human support.

                    So it CAN work when designed with user needs in mind rather than just cost-cutting. The technology isn't the problem - it's whether companies have the will to implement it properly.

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                    #30

                    @i47i @Yoshi

                    Yeah, everything Pattern Recognition flavored is pretty good.
                    Everything actually generative (let alone Agentive) is utter horsecrap.

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                    • i47i@hachyderm.ioI i47i@hachyderm.io

                      1/3
                      France's "software bundle" isn't brand-new code—it's a carefully curated stack of existing, mature free and open-source software (FOSS) being integrated and supported at national and municipal levels.

                      LYON EXAMPLE (June 2025):
                      Lyon—France's 3rd largest city with 10,000 government employees—is replacing Microsoft's entire stack with proven FOSS:
                      • Windows → Linux (Ubuntu-based)
                      • Microsoft Office → OnlyOffice (AGPL license, developed by Latvian firm Ascensio)
                      • SQL Server → PostgreSQL
                      • Microsoft 365 → Territoire Numérique Ouvert (TNO) collaboration platform

                      NATIONAL LEVEL - "La Suite numérique":
                      France's national digital suite assembles existing open components:
                      • Tchap: Matrix-based secure messaging (600,000+ public agents using it)
                      • Grist: Collaborative spreadsheets/databases (Apache 2.0)
                      • Docs: Real-time collaborative editing (built on BlockNote, developed with Germany)
                      • Meet: Video conferencing (LiveKit)
                      • Webinaire: Webinar platform (BigBlueButton)

                      All hosted in France, all open standards, single sign-on via ProConnect.

                      Lyon details:

                      https://interoperable-europe.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-source-observatory-osor/news/municipality-lyon-moves-towards-open-source

                      La Suite:
                      https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/en

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                      #31

                      @i47i
                      "The Tchap code is publicly available and is based on the Matrix protocol. The development of the application thus benefits from advances in the Matrix community, in terms of functional improvement and security."

                      But how do they *give back* to the @matrix #Matrix Foundation and Community?

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                      • i47i@hachyderm.ioI i47i@hachyderm.io

                        France is rolling out Visio, a homegrown secure videoconferencing platform, to all government employees by 2027.

                        The move aims to replace American tools like Teams, Zoom and Webex that currently fragment public administration communications and create security vulnerabilities.

                        The platform already has 40,000 regular users and is being deployed to 200,000 agents. Major institutions like CNRS are switching over this quarter, with CNRS replacing Zoom for its 34,000 staff and 120,000 affiliated researchers by late March.

                        Visio runs on French sovereign cloud infrastructure certified by ANSSI, uses AI transcription technology from French startup Pyannote, and will add real-time subtitling from French AI lab Kyutai by summer 2026. Beyond security and digital sovereignty, the switch generates real savings of about 1 million euros per year for every 100,000 users leaving paid license solutions.

                        Minister David Amiel frames this as essential to protecting sensitive government data and scientific exchanges from exposure to non-European actors while supporting French tech companies.

                        https://numerique.gouv.fr/sinformer/espace-presse/souverainete-numerique-etat-visio-solution-visioconference-agents-publics/ #France #Greenland #MAGA #DonaldTrump #tarrifs #France #Google #MicrosofTeams

                        https://lemmus.org/post/19676136

                        #Greenland #Minneapolis #ICE

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                        #32

                        @i47i

                        Hard to believe Microsoft didn't trademark the name "Visio" inside France.

                        I see Dassault Systèmes listed as a contributor.

                        Reminds me that the one area in which the U.S. is dependent on European technology is CAD. Boeing and thus most other aerospace companies use CATIA and Solidworks for their primary modeling tools.

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                        • mihamarkic@mastodon.socialM mihamarkic@mastodon.social

                          @i47i Slovenia? You sure? We don't even distinguish Word from word processor app.

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                          #33

                          @mihamarkic

                          You’re right—my initial claim about Slovenia was....

                          While Slovenia is part of the EU’s Digital Commons EDIC initiative, a 2025 report shows no systematic open-source adoption and a low Digital Sovereignty Index score (13.33). Participation in EU groups doesn’t equal meaningful domestic action. Thanks for the correction.

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                          • i47i@hachyderm.ioI i47i@hachyderm.io

                            3/3

                            HOW EASY IS IT TO MOVE FROM MICROSOFT?

                            TECHNICALLY: Very feasible. Strong FOSS alternatives exist for everything:
                            Windows → Linux (Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora)

                            Office → OnlyOffice, LibreOffice

                            Exchange/Teams → Matrix/Element, Nextcloud

                            SQL Server → PostgreSQL, MariaDB

                            Benefits: No per-seat licenses, data sovereignty, transparent security, longer hardware life, no forced obsolescence.

                            THE REAL CHALLENGE: Organizational, not technical

                            Legacy Windows-only apps & VBA macros (need rewriting or VMs)

                            User retraining & change management (people lose muscle memory)

                            Political will & leadership commitment (critical!)

                            External partner expectations (.docx, Outlook, Teams)

                            SUCCESS FACTORS (proven by Lyon & Gendarmerie):
                            • Strong political backing at highest levels
                            • Adequate budget & realistic timeline
                            • Comprehensive training programs
                            • Willingness to maintain hybrid systems during transition
                            • Local/regional procurement (Lyon: 100% French contractors)

                            CURRENT MOMENTUM:
                            Denmark, Germany (Schleswig-Holstein), Netherlands, Italy, and Slovenia are all pursuing similar digital sovereignty initiatives through FOSS

                            Bottom line: #France proves that digital sovereignty through open source works at massive scale (103K+ workstations). They're not reinventing wheels—they're making smart use of mature, proven technology with European hosting and governance.

                            Lyon Register article: https://www.theregister.com/2025/06/26/lyon_leaving_microsoft/

                            #OpenSource #DigitalSovereignty #Linux #FOSS #France #Lyon #PublicSector #Ubuntu #Matrix #GendBuntu #Europe #Microsoft

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                            #34

                            @i47i

                            It would be ironic if there were no strong alternatives to MicroSoft Visio (tm).

                            I suppose Inkscape, though maybe not quite the same.

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                            • i47i@hachyderm.ioI i47i@hachyderm.io

                              3/3

                              HOW EASY IS IT TO MOVE FROM MICROSOFT?

                              TECHNICALLY: Very feasible. Strong FOSS alternatives exist for everything:
                              Windows → Linux (Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora)

                              Office → OnlyOffice, LibreOffice

                              Exchange/Teams → Matrix/Element, Nextcloud

                              SQL Server → PostgreSQL, MariaDB

                              Benefits: No per-seat licenses, data sovereignty, transparent security, longer hardware life, no forced obsolescence.

                              THE REAL CHALLENGE: Organizational, not technical

                              Legacy Windows-only apps & VBA macros (need rewriting or VMs)

                              User retraining & change management (people lose muscle memory)

                              Political will & leadership commitment (critical!)

                              External partner expectations (.docx, Outlook, Teams)

                              SUCCESS FACTORS (proven by Lyon & Gendarmerie):
                              • Strong political backing at highest levels
                              • Adequate budget & realistic timeline
                              • Comprehensive training programs
                              • Willingness to maintain hybrid systems during transition
                              • Local/regional procurement (Lyon: 100% French contractors)

                              CURRENT MOMENTUM:
                              Denmark, Germany (Schleswig-Holstein), Netherlands, Italy, and Slovenia are all pursuing similar digital sovereignty initiatives through FOSS

                              Bottom line: #France proves that digital sovereignty through open source works at massive scale (103K+ workstations). They're not reinventing wheels—they're making smart use of mature, proven technology with European hosting and governance.

                              Lyon Register article: https://www.theregister.com/2025/06/26/lyon_leaving_microsoft/

                              #OpenSource #DigitalSovereignty #Linux #FOSS #France #Lyon #PublicSector #Ubuntu #Matrix #GendBuntu #Europe #Microsoft

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                              #35

                              @i47i The partners using Teams/Zoom etc is a big issue. The beauty if Jitsi is that they don't need to install any software to use it (assuming they have a browser!), so you can ask them to switch to it for your meeting *whatever* their institutional policy.

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                              • i47i@hachyderm.ioI i47i@hachyderm.io

                                @mihamarkic

                                You’re right—my initial claim about Slovenia was....

                                While Slovenia is part of the EU’s Digital Commons EDIC initiative, a 2025 report shows no systematic open-source adoption and a low Digital Sovereignty Index score (13.33). Participation in EU groups doesn’t equal meaningful domestic action. Thanks for the correction.

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                                #36

                                @i47i I wish it was different but that is the product of Microsoft infiltration and stupid politicians who don't see beyond word, x and Facebook.

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                                • elettrona@poliversity.itE elettrona@poliversity.it

                                  @i47i @matrix There are alternatives for ALMOST everything. What about screen readers for blind users?
                                  Windows has an open source screen reader called NVDA, which can be an alternative to the closed JAWS. But the Linux one, Orca, has still a lot of issues. And blind users have very few references about pros and cons.

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                                  #37

                                  @elettrona @matrix

                                  You've identified the critical gap in digital sovereignty discussions.

                                  Microsoft has genuinely led accessibility development for decades, and this deserves recognition. Their achievements include Narrator, the built-in Windows screen reader that has improved significantly with each release, industry-leading Office accessibility features including comprehensive alt-text support and keyboard navigation that sets standards for document accessibility, Azure AI vision APIs that have proven revolutionary for blind developers working with computer vision, the Xbox Adaptive Controller which demonstrated hardware accessibility innovation, and Soundscape for 3D audio navigation.

                                  Crucially, NVDA—the free, open-source screen reader that many consider the best Windows screen reader—is developed and maintained by the independent non-profit NV Access, not Microsoft.

                                  However, Microsoft has provided significant financial and technical support to NV Access over the years, and NVDA runs optimally on Windows due to deep integration with Windows accessibility APIs. This represents genuine industry leadership worth acknowledging.

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                                  • i47i@hachyderm.ioI i47i@hachyderm.io

                                    @elettrona @matrix

                                    You've identified the critical gap in digital sovereignty discussions.

                                    Microsoft has genuinely led accessibility development for decades, and this deserves recognition. Their achievements include Narrator, the built-in Windows screen reader that has improved significantly with each release, industry-leading Office accessibility features including comprehensive alt-text support and keyboard navigation that sets standards for document accessibility, Azure AI vision APIs that have proven revolutionary for blind developers working with computer vision, the Xbox Adaptive Controller which demonstrated hardware accessibility innovation, and Soundscape for 3D audio navigation.

                                    Crucially, NVDA—the free, open-source screen reader that many consider the best Windows screen reader—is developed and maintained by the independent non-profit NV Access, not Microsoft.

                                    However, Microsoft has provided significant financial and technical support to NV Access over the years, and NVDA runs optimally on Windows due to deep integration with Windows accessibility APIs. This represents genuine industry leadership worth acknowledging.

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                                    @elettrona @matrix

                                    The Linux ecosystem faces measurable accessibility challenges.

                                    Orca, the primary community-driven screen reader for Linux, encounters documented real-world problems that blind users consistently report.

                                    These include inconsistent performance with complex web applications especially those using dynamic JavaScript frameworks, limited and uneven support across different desktop environments like GNOME versus KDE, steeper learning curves due to less centralized and comprehensive documentation compared to commercial alternatives like JAWS or the well-documented NVDA, and a smaller community of blind users sharing practical tips and workarounds.

                                    Organizations like the American Foundation for the Blind have documented that Linux offers a narrower range of mature, professionally-supported accessibility tools compared to Windows or macOS.

                                    This isn't about theoretical capability—it's about the lived experience of blind users who need reliable, well-documented tools with robust community support. The gap is real and significant.

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                                    • i47i@hachyderm.ioI i47i@hachyderm.io

                                      @elettrona @matrix

                                      The Linux ecosystem faces measurable accessibility challenges.

                                      Orca, the primary community-driven screen reader for Linux, encounters documented real-world problems that blind users consistently report.

                                      These include inconsistent performance with complex web applications especially those using dynamic JavaScript frameworks, limited and uneven support across different desktop environments like GNOME versus KDE, steeper learning curves due to less centralized and comprehensive documentation compared to commercial alternatives like JAWS or the well-documented NVDA, and a smaller community of blind users sharing practical tips and workarounds.

                                      Organizations like the American Foundation for the Blind have documented that Linux offers a narrower range of mature, professionally-supported accessibility tools compared to Windows or macOS.

                                      This isn't about theoretical capability—it's about the lived experience of blind users who need reliable, well-documented tools with robust community support. The gap is real and significant.

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                                      This creates an urgent legal problem for digital sovereignty initiatives. French law through the RGAA (Référentiel Général d'Amélioration de l'Accessibilité) and the EU's European Accessibility Act (EAA) impose strict, enforceable digital accessibility requirements on public sector organizations and key service providers.

                                      These aren't guidelines—they're legal mandates with real enforcement mechanisms and substantial penalties for non-compliance.
                                      France's digital sovereignty migration, including the rollout of platforms like Visio and the broader La Suite numérique to hundreds of thousands of government employees, must meet these accessibility standards from day one.

                                      Any deployment that excludes or marginalizes blind users would violate French and EU law, expose organizations to legal liability, and fundamentally fail the ethical test.

                                      Accessibility cannot be an afterthought or future enhancement—it's a legal requirement that must be built into the foundation of these systems.

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                                        This creates an urgent legal problem for digital sovereignty initiatives. French law through the RGAA (Référentiel Général d'Amélioration de l'Accessibilité) and the EU's European Accessibility Act (EAA) impose strict, enforceable digital accessibility requirements on public sector organizations and key service providers.

                                        These aren't guidelines—they're legal mandates with real enforcement mechanisms and substantial penalties for non-compliance.
                                        France's digital sovereignty migration, including the rollout of platforms like Visio and the broader La Suite numérique to hundreds of thousands of government employees, must meet these accessibility standards from day one.

                                        Any deployment that excludes or marginalizes blind users would violate French and EU law, expose organizations to legal liability, and fundamentally fail the ethical test.

                                        Accessibility cannot be an afterthought or future enhancement—it's a legal requirement that must be built into the foundation of these systems.

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                                        Microsoft has established precedent for open-source, cross-platform leadership that's directly relevant here. They successfully open-sourced and made fully cross-platform: VS Code which is now a leading code editor on Linux, .NET Core which runs on Linux and powers significant server infrastructure, PowerShell which is now Linux-native, and Windows Terminal which benefits all platforms.

                                        These weren't token gestures—they represent major strategic investments that proved you can open-source core tools and still thrive commercially.

                                        NVDA's Python foundation makes cross-platform porting technically feasible in ways that would be much harder for native C++ applications.

                                        Python is inherently portable across operating systems. The main engineering effort would involve mapping Windows-specific accessibility APIs like UI Automation and IAccessible2 to their Linux equivalents like AT-SPI and macOS accessibility frameworks.

                                        A phased approach starting with core screen reading functionality and gradually adding platform-specific features would be viable.

                                        Concrete steps could include: directly funding Orca development with sustained financial support, sharing detailed accessibility API documentation with GNOME and KDE development teams, supporting NV Access in developing cross-platform NVDA capabilities, and publishing Microsoft's accessibility testing methodologies and best practices for the community.

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                                          Microsoft has established precedent for open-source, cross-platform leadership that's directly relevant here. They successfully open-sourced and made fully cross-platform: VS Code which is now a leading code editor on Linux, .NET Core which runs on Linux and powers significant server infrastructure, PowerShell which is now Linux-native, and Windows Terminal which benefits all platforms.

                                          These weren't token gestures—they represent major strategic investments that proved you can open-source core tools and still thrive commercially.

                                          NVDA's Python foundation makes cross-platform porting technically feasible in ways that would be much harder for native C++ applications.

                                          Python is inherently portable across operating systems. The main engineering effort would involve mapping Windows-specific accessibility APIs like UI Automation and IAccessible2 to their Linux equivalents like AT-SPI and macOS accessibility frameworks.

                                          A phased approach starting with core screen reading functionality and gradually adding platform-specific features would be viable.

                                          Concrete steps could include: directly funding Orca development with sustained financial support, sharing detailed accessibility API documentation with GNOME and KDE development teams, supporting NV Access in developing cross-platform NVDA capabilities, and publishing Microsoft's accessibility testing methodologies and best practices for the community.

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                                          The bottom line is straightforward: digital sovereignty initiatives that fail to meet accessibility requirements violate EU law and exclude disabled citizens from digital participation.

                                          This is both a legal compliance issue and a fundamental human rights issue.

                                          The technical expertise to solve this exists within the industry. The legal mandate requiring accessibility exists in French and EU law.

                                          The question is whether industry leaders and open-source communities will prioritize implementation.

                                          Thank you for raising this issue—accessibility must be absolutely central to digital sovereignty discussions from the beginning, not treated as an optional enhancement or addressed after the fact.

                                          The French government's commitment to digital sovereignty will be measured in part by how well it serves all citizens, including those who rely on assistive technologies.

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