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  3. > ...the AI kill switch ... has been flipped by just 1% of Firefox users to turn off AI completely.

> ...the AI kill switch ... has been flipped by just 1% of Firefox users to turn off AI completely.

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  • fasterandworse@hci.socialF fasterandworse@hci.social

    > I think there's a general user sentiment of, 'hey, I didn't ask for that, and I didn't choose that.' The great thing about Firefox is ... we offer choice

    mozilla exists in a bizarro world of consent

    ndevenish@mas.toN This user is from outside of this forum
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    #14

    @fasterandworse see also: a fucking VPN button magically appearing in my extension bar without my consent

    Honestly thought I had been hit by malware

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    • ndevenish@mas.toN ndevenish@mas.to

      @fasterandworse see also: a fucking VPN button magically appearing in my extension bar without my consent

      Honestly thought I had been hit by malware

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      #15

      @ndevenish with the shitty (x) offline indicator that looks like a close button

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      • fasterandworse@hci.socialF fasterandworse@hci.social

        > ...the AI kill switch ... has been flipped by just 1% of Firefox users to turn off AI completely. And it's being partially used by just 3% to turn off some AI features in the browser.

        THAT'S BECAUSE IT IS OPT-OUT!

        https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/mozillas-ceo-knows-you-might-not-want-ai-in-firefox/

        emenel@post.lurk.orgE This user is from outside of this forum
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        #16

        @fasterandworse a lot of people who would have used it also just ditched firefox entirely because of this

        tock@corteximplant.comT smn@l3ib.orgS zombiecide@polyglot.cityZ 3 Replies Last reply
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        • fasterandworse@hci.socialF fasterandworse@hci.social

          > ...the AI kill switch ... has been flipped by just 1% of Firefox users to turn off AI completely. And it's being partially used by just 3% to turn off some AI features in the browser.

          THAT'S BECAUSE IT IS OPT-OUT!

          https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/mozillas-ceo-knows-you-might-not-want-ai-in-firefox/

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          #17

          @fasterandworse they know because their community told them every step of the way, but they did it anyway and then did an AI slop video promising to spend untold riches on a thing people didn't want.

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          • emenel@post.lurk.orgE emenel@post.lurk.org

            @fasterandworse a lot of people who would have used it also just ditched firefox entirely because of this

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            #18

            @emenel @fasterandworse The brilliant thing about Waterfox is it has a desktop and mobile app, so I ditched Firefox completely. #FuckMozilla

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            • fasterandworse@hci.socialF fasterandworse@hci.social

              > ...the AI kill switch ... has been flipped by just 1% of Firefox users to turn off AI completely. And it's being partially used by just 3% to turn off some AI features in the browser.

              THAT'S BECAUSE IT IS OPT-OUT!

              https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/mozillas-ceo-knows-you-might-not-want-ai-in-firefox/

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              #19
              I am guessing that they know that thanks to telemetry. People who are interested in turning off LLM functionalities will be also interested in turning off telemetry. This might mean that statistical sample is not representative.
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              • fasterandworse@hci.socialF fasterandworse@hci.social

                > ...the AI kill switch ... has been flipped by just 1% of Firefox users to turn off AI completely. And it's being partially used by just 3% to turn off some AI features in the browser.

                THAT'S BECAUSE IT IS OPT-OUT!

                https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/mozillas-ceo-knows-you-might-not-want-ai-in-firefox/

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                #20

                @fasterandworse
                I think a considerable number of people just automatically switched away from mainline #Firefox in favour of a privacy-respecting fork such as #Librewolf.

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                • emenel@post.lurk.orgE emenel@post.lurk.org

                  @fasterandworse a lot of people who would have used it also just ditched firefox entirely because of this

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                  #21

                  @emenel @fasterandworse yeah I'm in this group

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                  • fasterandworse@hci.socialF fasterandworse@hci.social

                    > I think there's a general user sentiment of, 'hey, I didn't ask for that, and I didn't choose that.' The great thing about Firefox is ... we offer choice

                    mozilla exists in a bizarro world of consent

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                    #22

                    @fasterandworse unless you get a repeated and enthusiastic no, you're good to go! Also, "I can't find where they've moved the setting this time" is a binding and irrevocable endorsement of your corporate policies.

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                    • fasterandworse@hci.socialF fasterandworse@hci.social

                      > ...the AI kill switch ... has been flipped by just 1% of Firefox users to turn off AI completely. And it's being partially used by just 3% to turn off some AI features in the browser.

                      THAT'S BECAUSE IT IS OPT-OUT!

                      https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/mozillas-ceo-knows-you-might-not-want-ai-in-firefox/

                      tijn@dosgame.clubT This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #23

                      @fasterandworse Happy to be in the 1% for once!

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                      • fasterandworse@hci.socialF fasterandworse@hci.social

                        > I think there's a general user sentiment of, 'hey, I didn't ask for that, and I didn't choose that.' The great thing about Firefox is ... we offer choice

                        mozilla exists in a bizarro world of consent

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                        #24

                        @fasterandworse@hci.social it's still insane to me that companies can just fuck you in the ass and claim that because you haven't said no you consented

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                        • fasterandworse@hci.socialF fasterandworse@hci.social

                          > ...the AI kill switch ... has been flipped by just 1% of Firefox users to turn off AI completely. And it's being partially used by just 3% to turn off some AI features in the browser.

                          THAT'S BECAUSE IT IS OPT-OUT!

                          https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/mozillas-ceo-knows-you-might-not-want-ai-in-firefox/

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                          #25

                          @fasterandworse

                          Also the kill switch turns off translations. Since I use those I need to manually turn off every ai feature and then go back any time new ones are added

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                          • puppygirlhornypost2@transfem.socialP puppygirlhornypost2@transfem.social

                            @fasterandworse@hci.social it's still insane to me that companies can just fuck you in the ass and claim that because you haven't said no you consented

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                            #26

                            @puppygirlhornypost2 Even if you say no, they'll assert that they're doing it for the Greater Good, and for the Benefit of All of Humanity, so sorry, but your ass is now fair use.

                            @fasterandworse

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                            • womble@infosec.exchangeW womble@infosec.exchange

                              @fasterandworse unless you get a repeated and enthusiastic no, you're good to go! Also, "I can't find where they've moved the setting this time" is a binding and irrevocable endorsement of your corporate policies.

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                              #27

                              @womble @fasterandworse I would be genuinely interested to see the percentage of people who have never opened the settings in Firefox. I imagine it's probably in the high 90s.

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                              • fasterandworse@hci.socialF fasterandworse@hci.social

                                > ...the AI kill switch ... has been flipped by just 1% of Firefox users to turn off AI completely. And it's being partially used by just 3% to turn off some AI features in the browser.

                                THAT'S BECAUSE IT IS OPT-OUT!

                                https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/mozillas-ceo-knows-you-might-not-want-ai-in-firefox/

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                                #28

                                @fasterandworse
                                I would assume that there is also a fair bit of overlap between people who turn off slop machines but also telemetry (especially when dealing witha well-known bad actor)

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                                • fasterandworse@hci.socialF fasterandworse@hci.social

                                  > ...the AI kill switch ... has been flipped by just 1% of Firefox users to turn off AI completely. And it's being partially used by just 3% to turn off some AI features in the browser.

                                  THAT'S BECAUSE IT IS OPT-OUT!

                                  https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/mozillas-ceo-knows-you-might-not-want-ai-in-firefox/

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                                  #29

                                  @fasterandworse No mention that I could see of users who've switched to e.g. Waterfox, either.

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                                  • fasterandworse@hci.socialF fasterandworse@hci.social

                                    > ...the AI kill switch ... has been flipped by just 1% of Firefox users to turn off AI completely. And it's being partially used by just 3% to turn off some AI features in the browser.

                                    THAT'S BECAUSE IT IS OPT-OUT!

                                    https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/mozillas-ceo-knows-you-might-not-want-ai-in-firefox/

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                                    #30
                                    @fasterandworse I didn't hit the AI kill switch on my Firefox because I kill switched the whole ass browser into something else. Where is that data from how many users they're losing, huh?
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                                    • fasterandworse@hci.socialF fasterandworse@hci.social

                                      > ...the AI kill switch ... has been flipped by just 1% of Firefox users to turn off AI completely. And it's being partially used by just 3% to turn off some AI features in the browser.

                                      THAT'S BECAUSE IT IS OPT-OUT!

                                      https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/mozillas-ceo-knows-you-might-not-want-ai-in-firefox/

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                                      #31

                                      @fasterandworse To all the homies who predicted that Mozilla was gonna use the kill-switch to gin up stats about how popular their AI features are…pat yourselves on the back.

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                                      • fasterandworse@hci.socialF fasterandworse@hci.social

                                        > ...the AI kill switch ... has been flipped by just 1% of Firefox users to turn off AI completely. And it's being partially used by just 3% to turn off some AI features in the browser.

                                        THAT'S BECAUSE IT IS OPT-OUT!

                                        https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/mozillas-ceo-knows-you-might-not-want-ai-in-firefox/

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                                        #32

                                        @fasterandworse

                                        "The AI kill switch ... has been flipped by just 1% of Firefox users to turn off AI completely."

                                        that's because they are conflating generative AI chatbots (which nobody wants) with translation software and not counting people who left the translation software on to support their claim that people want generative chatbots.

                                        I said this was a con when they did it. Well, what do you know, it's a con.

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                                        • resuna@ohai.socialR resuna@ohai.social

                                          @fasterandworse

                                          "The AI kill switch ... has been flipped by just 1% of Firefox users to turn off AI completely."

                                          that's because they are conflating generative AI chatbots (which nobody wants) with translation software and not counting people who left the translation software on to support their claim that people want generative chatbots.

                                          I said this was a con when they did it. Well, what do you know, it's a con.

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                                          #33

                                          @resuna good spot

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