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  3. > ...the AI kill switch ... has been flipped by just 1% of Firefox users to turn off AI completely.

> ...the AI kill switch ... has been flipped by just 1% of Firefox users to turn off AI completely.

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  • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

    @fasterandworse it’s so fucking predictable and tiring how quickly this was weaponized

    also it’s been said already but I will scream it as loud as I can anyway: almost everyone turning off the AI crap is also turning off the metrics, obviously, and Mozilla refuses to make that utterly obvious correlation (because this was the point of the killswitch the entire time)

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    #8

    @fasterandworse like, we know from polling not done by horseshit AI corps like Mozilla that AI is incredibly unpopular. we don’t really need Mozilla to try and gaslight us on this but if a corporation ever stops gaslighting it’s because it’s dead.

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    • ozzelot@mstdn.socialO ozzelot@mstdn.social

      @fasterandworse
      And also, people who tend to disable AI features also tend to disable the telemetry that reports this disabling

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      #9

      @ozzelot @fasterandworse - Exactly. This has "Sampling Bias" written all over it.

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      • fasterandworse@hci.socialF fasterandworse@hci.social

        > ...the AI kill switch ... has been flipped by just 1% of Firefox users to turn off AI completely. And it's being partially used by just 3% to turn off some AI features in the browser.

        THAT'S BECAUSE IT IS OPT-OUT!

        https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/mozillas-ceo-knows-you-might-not-want-ai-in-firefox/

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        #10

        @fasterandworse Also - Some of the ESR versions that are still in use don't have the kill switch yet?
        Like, I had to disable it all in about:config on 140.11.0esr (on slackware)

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        • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

          @fasterandworse like, we know from polling not done by horseshit AI corps like Mozilla that AI is incredibly unpopular. we don’t really need Mozilla to try and gaslight us on this but if a corporation ever stops gaslighting it’s because it’s dead.

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          #11

          @zzt the thing about making it browser addons instead of integrated is it would have served them well as a risk mitigation strategy

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          • aparrish@friend.campA aparrish@friend.camp

            @fasterandworse lol i didn't even know i'd been opted in on mobile until i read this article. anyway, they have marketing people, right? they should know that 1% conversion is pretty huge for an action *they barely advertise to users* and hide two dialogs deep in settings

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            #12

            @aparrish their CMO is a huge AI booster as well

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            • fasterandworse@hci.socialF fasterandworse@hci.social

              > ...the AI kill switch ... has been flipped by just 1% of Firefox users to turn off AI completely. And it's being partially used by just 3% to turn off some AI features in the browser.

              THAT'S BECAUSE IT IS OPT-OUT!

              https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/mozillas-ceo-knows-you-might-not-want-ai-in-firefox/

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              #13

              @fasterandworse How many people who turned on the AI kill switch also turned off telemetry reporting to Mozilla? I'd guess it's a lot, but we'll never know!

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              • fasterandworse@hci.socialF fasterandworse@hci.social

                > I think there's a general user sentiment of, 'hey, I didn't ask for that, and I didn't choose that.' The great thing about Firefox is ... we offer choice

                mozilla exists in a bizarro world of consent

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                #14

                @fasterandworse see also: a fucking VPN button magically appearing in my extension bar without my consent

                Honestly thought I had been hit by malware

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                • ndevenish@mas.toN ndevenish@mas.to

                  @fasterandworse see also: a fucking VPN button magically appearing in my extension bar without my consent

                  Honestly thought I had been hit by malware

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                  #15

                  @ndevenish with the shitty (x) offline indicator that looks like a close button

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                  • fasterandworse@hci.socialF fasterandworse@hci.social

                    > ...the AI kill switch ... has been flipped by just 1% of Firefox users to turn off AI completely. And it's being partially used by just 3% to turn off some AI features in the browser.

                    THAT'S BECAUSE IT IS OPT-OUT!

                    https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/mozillas-ceo-knows-you-might-not-want-ai-in-firefox/

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                    #16

                    @fasterandworse a lot of people who would have used it also just ditched firefox entirely because of this

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                    • fasterandworse@hci.socialF fasterandworse@hci.social

                      > ...the AI kill switch ... has been flipped by just 1% of Firefox users to turn off AI completely. And it's being partially used by just 3% to turn off some AI features in the browser.

                      THAT'S BECAUSE IT IS OPT-OUT!

                      https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/mozillas-ceo-knows-you-might-not-want-ai-in-firefox/

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                      #17

                      @fasterandworse they know because their community told them every step of the way, but they did it anyway and then did an AI slop video promising to spend untold riches on a thing people didn't want.

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                      • emenel@post.lurk.orgE emenel@post.lurk.org

                        @fasterandworse a lot of people who would have used it also just ditched firefox entirely because of this

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                        #18

                        @emenel @fasterandworse The brilliant thing about Waterfox is it has a desktop and mobile app, so I ditched Firefox completely. #FuckMozilla

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                        • fasterandworse@hci.socialF fasterandworse@hci.social

                          > ...the AI kill switch ... has been flipped by just 1% of Firefox users to turn off AI completely. And it's being partially used by just 3% to turn off some AI features in the browser.

                          THAT'S BECAUSE IT IS OPT-OUT!

                          https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/mozillas-ceo-knows-you-might-not-want-ai-in-firefox/

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                          #19
                          I am guessing that they know that thanks to telemetry. People who are interested in turning off LLM functionalities will be also interested in turning off telemetry. This might mean that statistical sample is not representative.
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                          • fasterandworse@hci.socialF fasterandworse@hci.social

                            > ...the AI kill switch ... has been flipped by just 1% of Firefox users to turn off AI completely. And it's being partially used by just 3% to turn off some AI features in the browser.

                            THAT'S BECAUSE IT IS OPT-OUT!

                            https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/mozillas-ceo-knows-you-might-not-want-ai-in-firefox/

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                            #20

                            @fasterandworse
                            I think a considerable number of people just automatically switched away from mainline #Firefox in favour of a privacy-respecting fork such as #Librewolf.

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                            • emenel@post.lurk.orgE emenel@post.lurk.org

                              @fasterandworse a lot of people who would have used it also just ditched firefox entirely because of this

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                              #21

                              @emenel @fasterandworse yeah I'm in this group

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                              • fasterandworse@hci.socialF fasterandworse@hci.social

                                > I think there's a general user sentiment of, 'hey, I didn't ask for that, and I didn't choose that.' The great thing about Firefox is ... we offer choice

                                mozilla exists in a bizarro world of consent

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                                #22

                                @fasterandworse unless you get a repeated and enthusiastic no, you're good to go! Also, "I can't find where they've moved the setting this time" is a binding and irrevocable endorsement of your corporate policies.

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                                • fasterandworse@hci.socialF fasterandworse@hci.social

                                  > ...the AI kill switch ... has been flipped by just 1% of Firefox users to turn off AI completely. And it's being partially used by just 3% to turn off some AI features in the browser.

                                  THAT'S BECAUSE IT IS OPT-OUT!

                                  https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/mozillas-ceo-knows-you-might-not-want-ai-in-firefox/

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                                  #23

                                  @fasterandworse Happy to be in the 1% for once!

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                                  • fasterandworse@hci.socialF fasterandworse@hci.social

                                    > I think there's a general user sentiment of, 'hey, I didn't ask for that, and I didn't choose that.' The great thing about Firefox is ... we offer choice

                                    mozilla exists in a bizarro world of consent

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                                    #24

                                    @fasterandworse@hci.social it's still insane to me that companies can just fuck you in the ass and claim that because you haven't said no you consented

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                                    • fasterandworse@hci.socialF fasterandworse@hci.social

                                      > ...the AI kill switch ... has been flipped by just 1% of Firefox users to turn off AI completely. And it's being partially used by just 3% to turn off some AI features in the browser.

                                      THAT'S BECAUSE IT IS OPT-OUT!

                                      https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/mozillas-ceo-knows-you-might-not-want-ai-in-firefox/

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                                      #25

                                      @fasterandworse

                                      Also the kill switch turns off translations. Since I use those I need to manually turn off every ai feature and then go back any time new ones are added

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                                      • puppygirlhornypost2@transfem.socialP puppygirlhornypost2@transfem.social

                                        @fasterandworse@hci.social it's still insane to me that companies can just fuck you in the ass and claim that because you haven't said no you consented

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                                        #26

                                        @puppygirlhornypost2 Even if you say no, they'll assert that they're doing it for the Greater Good, and for the Benefit of All of Humanity, so sorry, but your ass is now fair use.

                                        @fasterandworse

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                                        • womble@infosec.exchangeW womble@infosec.exchange

                                          @fasterandworse unless you get a repeated and enthusiastic no, you're good to go! Also, "I can't find where they've moved the setting this time" is a binding and irrevocable endorsement of your corporate policies.

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                                          #27

                                          @womble @fasterandworse I would be genuinely interested to see the percentage of people who have never opened the settings in Firefox. I imagine it's probably in the high 90s.

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