Skip to content
  • Hjem
  • Seneste
  • Etiketter
  • Populære
  • Verden
  • Bruger
  • Grupper
Temaer
  • Light
  • Brite
  • Cerulean
  • Cosmo
  • Flatly
  • Journal
  • Litera
  • Lumen
  • Lux
  • Materia
  • Minty
  • Morph
  • Pulse
  • Sandstone
  • Simplex
  • Sketchy
  • Spacelab
  • United
  • Yeti
  • Zephyr
  • Dark
  • Cyborg
  • Darkly
  • Quartz
  • Slate
  • Solar
  • Superhero
  • Vapor

  • Default (No Skin)
  • No Skin
Kollaps
FARVEL BIG TECH
  1. Forside
  2. Ikke-kategoriseret
  3. If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for.

If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for.

Planlagt Fastgjort Låst Flyttet Ikke-kategoriseret
43 Indlæg 37 Posters 8 Visninger
  • Ældste til nyeste
  • Nyeste til ældste
  • Most Votes
Svar
  • Svar som emne
Login for at svare
Denne tråd er blevet slettet. Kun brugere med emne behandlings privilegier kan se den.
  • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

    If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for. All of your chat prompts are subpoenable and we are all going to laugh so hard.

    https://www.404media.co/show-how-3m-is-0-at-fault-expert-witness-used-chatgpt-to-write-report-defending-company-in-deadly-explosion-lawsuit/

    adriano@lile.clA This user is from outside of this forum
    adriano@lile.clA This user is from outside of this forum
    adriano@lile.cl
    wrote sidst redigeret af
    #3

    @evacide
    "Sent it to your boss, and said "Man, I am proud of this?"
    "Yes, sir"

    1 Reply Last reply
    0
    • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

      If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for. All of your chat prompts are subpoenable and we are all going to laugh so hard.

      https://www.404media.co/show-how-3m-is-0-at-fault-expert-witness-used-chatgpt-to-write-report-defending-company-in-deadly-explosion-lawsuit/

      mattblaze@federate.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
      mattblaze@federate.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
      mattblaze@federate.social
      wrote sidst redigeret af
      #4

      @evacide One thing that struck me: for expert work in this sort of case, $475/hr is basically what you'd pay for an entry level expert (e.g., not someone with actual trial testimony experience). This is almost certainly not someone with a lot of experience, and it sounds like he's not going to have many opportunities to get more in the future.

      mattblaze@federate.socialM adamshostack@infosec.exchangeA 2 Replies Last reply
      0
      • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

        If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for. All of your chat prompts are subpoenable and we are all going to laugh so hard.

        https://www.404media.co/show-how-3m-is-0-at-fault-expert-witness-used-chatgpt-to-write-report-defending-company-in-deadly-explosion-lawsuit/

        jernej__s@infosec.exchangeJ This user is from outside of this forum
        jernej__s@infosec.exchangeJ This user is from outside of this forum
        jernej__s@infosec.exchange
        wrote sidst redigeret af
        #5

        @evacide

        3janeta@beige.party3 1 Reply Last reply
        0
        • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

          @evacide One thing that struck me: for expert work in this sort of case, $475/hr is basically what you'd pay for an entry level expert (e.g., not someone with actual trial testimony experience). This is almost certainly not someone with a lot of experience, and it sounds like he's not going to have many opportunities to get more in the future.

          mattblaze@federate.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
          mattblaze@federate.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
          mattblaze@federate.social
          wrote sidst redigeret af
          #6

          @evacide No one in high-stakes litigation wants a discount expert.

          stevebellovin@infosec.exchangeS 1 Reply Last reply
          0
          • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

            @evacide One thing that struck me: for expert work in this sort of case, $475/hr is basically what you'd pay for an entry level expert (e.g., not someone with actual trial testimony experience). This is almost certainly not someone with a lot of experience, and it sounds like he's not going to have many opportunities to get more in the future.

            adamshostack@infosec.exchangeA This user is from outside of this forum
            adamshostack@infosec.exchangeA This user is from outside of this forum
            adamshostack@infosec.exchange
            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #7

            @mattblaze @evacide

            "As an expert witness preparing for deposition, if someone asks me to agree to a number, should I answer "if you say so"?"

            1 Reply Last reply
            0
            • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

              If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for. All of your chat prompts are subpoenable and we are all going to laugh so hard.

              https://www.404media.co/show-how-3m-is-0-at-fault-expert-witness-used-chatgpt-to-write-report-defending-company-in-deadly-explosion-lawsuit/

              A This user is from outside of this forum
              A This user is from outside of this forum
              agreeable_landfall@mastodon.social
              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #8

              @evacide I like the report of a lawyer who was found using an LLM, which relied on non-existent cases. The judge ordered him to a "show cause" hearing, for which he submitted...another filing written by his LLM.

              1 Reply Last reply
              0
              • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for. All of your chat prompts are subpoenable and we are all going to laugh so hard.

                https://www.404media.co/show-how-3m-is-0-at-fault-expert-witness-used-chatgpt-to-write-report-defending-company-in-deadly-explosion-lawsuit/

                epicdemiologist@wandering.shopE This user is from outside of this forum
                epicdemiologist@wandering.shopE This user is from outside of this forum
                epicdemiologist@wandering.shop
                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #9

                @evacide Less unwieldy link to the USCSB video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFVUSDzHL8A

                1 Reply Last reply
                0
                • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                  If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for. All of your chat prompts are subpoenable and we are all going to laugh so hard.

                  https://www.404media.co/show-how-3m-is-0-at-fault-expert-witness-used-chatgpt-to-write-report-defending-company-in-deadly-explosion-lawsuit/

                  tayyabsec@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
                  tayyabsec@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
                  tayyabsec@mastodon.social
                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #10

                  @evacide Relying on generative AI for expert reports poses significant risks to chain of custody and traceability, not to mention the danger of factual hallucinations. An expert's duty is independent, verifiable analysis, which cannot be substituted by algorithms lacking true understanding and provenance.

                  1 Reply Last reply
                  0
                  • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

                    @evacide No one in high-stakes litigation wants a discount expert.

                    stevebellovin@infosec.exchangeS This user is from outside of this forum
                    stevebellovin@infosec.exchangeS This user is from outside of this forum
                    stevebellovin@infosec.exchange
                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #11

                    @mattblaze @evacide Oh, I once encountered one on the other side of a case I was involved in. His credentials alone were minimal, but he apparently knew how to forge evidence. At least, I couldn't come up with any other explanation for his report…

                    mattblaze@federate.socialM 1 Reply Last reply
                    0
                    • stevebellovin@infosec.exchangeS stevebellovin@infosec.exchange

                      @mattblaze @evacide Oh, I once encountered one on the other side of a case I was involved in. His credentials alone were minimal, but he apparently knew how to forge evidence. At least, I couldn't come up with any other explanation for his report…

                      mattblaze@federate.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
                      mattblaze@federate.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
                      mattblaze@federate.social
                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #12

                      @SteveBellovin @evacide I hope he charged accordingly for such specialized services!

                      1 Reply Last reply
                      0
                      • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                        If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for. All of your chat prompts are subpoenable and we are all going to laugh so hard.

                        https://www.404media.co/show-how-3m-is-0-at-fault-expert-witness-used-chatgpt-to-write-report-defending-company-in-deadly-explosion-lawsuit/

                        niall@mastodon.nzN This user is from outside of this forum
                        niall@mastodon.nzN This user is from outside of this forum
                        niall@mastodon.nz
                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                        #13

                        @evacide FFS

                        1 Reply Last reply
                        0
                        • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                          If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for. All of your chat prompts are subpoenable and we are all going to laugh so hard.

                          https://www.404media.co/show-how-3m-is-0-at-fault-expert-witness-used-chatgpt-to-write-report-defending-company-in-deadly-explosion-lawsuit/

                          darryl_ramm@hachyderm.ioD This user is from outside of this forum
                          darryl_ramm@hachyderm.ioD This user is from outside of this forum
                          darryl_ramm@hachyderm.io
                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                          #14

                          @evacide

                          KnightHawk Engineering, all parrot no hawk.

                          sillycoelophysis@hachyderm.ioS 1 Reply Last reply
                          0
                          • barubary@infosec.exchangeB This user is from outside of this forum
                            barubary@infosec.exchangeB This user is from outside of this forum
                            barubary@infosec.exchange
                            wrote sidst redigeret af
                            #15

                            @phaedral @evacide Found this in a header:

                            REPORTER'S RECORD
                            TRIAL COURT CAUSE NO. 2020-05505-A

                            KARYN LAAKE, INDIVIDUALLY
                            AND AS REPRESENTATIVE OF
                            THE ESTATE OF CATHERINE
                            LAAKE, DECEASED,
                            et al.

                            vs.

                            3M COMPANY

                            IN THE DISTRICT COURT
                            HARRIS COUNTY, TEXAS
                            11TH JUDICIAL DISTRICT

                            Is that what you're looking for?

                            phaedral@beige.partyP 1 Reply Last reply
                            0
                            • barubary@infosec.exchangeB barubary@infosec.exchange

                              @phaedral @evacide Found this in a header:

                              REPORTER'S RECORD
                              TRIAL COURT CAUSE NO. 2020-05505-A

                              KARYN LAAKE, INDIVIDUALLY
                              AND AS REPRESENTATIVE OF
                              THE ESTATE OF CATHERINE
                              LAAKE, DECEASED,
                              et al.

                              vs.

                              3M COMPANY

                              IN THE DISTRICT COURT
                              HARRIS COUNTY, TEXAS
                              11TH JUDICIAL DISTRICT

                              Is that what you're looking for?

                              phaedral@beige.partyP This user is from outside of this forum
                              phaedral@beige.partyP This user is from outside of this forum
                              phaedral@beige.party
                              wrote sidst redigeret af
                              #16

                              @barubary @evacide Thank you, that should do.me!

                              1 Reply Last reply
                              0
                              • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                                If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for. All of your chat prompts are subpoenable and we are all going to laugh so hard.

                                https://www.404media.co/show-how-3m-is-0-at-fault-expert-witness-used-chatgpt-to-write-report-defending-company-in-deadly-explosion-lawsuit/

                                I This user is from outside of this forum
                                I This user is from outside of this forum
                                isol@mastodon.au
                                wrote sidst redigeret af
                                #17

                                @evacide

                                How long before someone is exposed as using AI to present themselves as an expert witness in detecting AI use in expert testimony? 🤪

                                pseudonym@mastodon.onlineP 1 Reply Last reply
                                0
                                • I isol@mastodon.au

                                  @evacide

                                  How long before someone is exposed as using AI to present themselves as an expert witness in detecting AI use in expert testimony? 🤪

                                  pseudonym@mastodon.onlineP This user is from outside of this forum
                                  pseudonym@mastodon.onlineP This user is from outside of this forum
                                  pseudonym@mastodon.online
                                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                                  #18

                                  @isol @evacide

                                  Takes one to know one, amirite?

                                  (No, he was not right)

                                  1 Reply Last reply
                                  0
                                  • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                                    If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for. All of your chat prompts are subpoenable and we are all going to laugh so hard.

                                    https://www.404media.co/show-how-3m-is-0-at-fault-expert-witness-used-chatgpt-to-write-report-defending-company-in-deadly-explosion-lawsuit/

                                    worik@mastodon.socialW This user is from outside of this forum
                                    worik@mastodon.socialW This user is from outside of this forum
                                    worik@mastodon.social
                                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                                    #19

                                    @evacide That is really interesting

                                    I read to the end, and changed my opinion as I did

                                    The use of Gen AI was not unreasonable IMO so long as the "expert" is expert and stands behind the conclusion.

                                    Writing these it is important to disclose the use of gen AI and be transparent with your process.

                                    Using gen AI to search, collate and organize information is reasonable for an expert in the field

                                    A non expert can be exposed with examination and gen AI will not help hide ignorance for long

                                    1 Reply Last reply
                                    0
                                    • evacide@hachyderm.ioE This user is from outside of this forum
                                      evacide@hachyderm.ioE This user is from outside of this forum
                                      evacide@hachyderm.io
                                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                                      #20

                                      @Cassandra_Complex That is not at all what this story is about.

                                      1 Reply Last reply
                                      0
                                      • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                                        If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for. All of your chat prompts are subpoenable and we are all going to laugh so hard.

                                        https://www.404media.co/show-how-3m-is-0-at-fault-expert-witness-used-chatgpt-to-write-report-defending-company-in-deadly-explosion-lawsuit/

                                        dukeduke@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
                                        dukeduke@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
                                        dukeduke@mastodon.social
                                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                                        #21

                                        @evacide "...and how my background and experience is well suited to render this professional opinion.”

                                        Except that it's CrapGPT's opinion, not yours, ya ham-brained bastard! 🙄

                                        1 Reply Last reply
                                        0
                                        • darryl_ramm@hachyderm.ioD darryl_ramm@hachyderm.io

                                          @evacide

                                          KnightHawk Engineering, all parrot no hawk.

                                          sillycoelophysis@hachyderm.ioS This user is from outside of this forum
                                          sillycoelophysis@hachyderm.ioS This user is from outside of this forum
                                          sillycoelophysis@hachyderm.io
                                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                                          #22

                                          @darryl_ramm @evacide all night, no khawk 😂

                                          1 Reply Last reply
                                          0
                                          Svar
                                          • Svar som emne
                                          Login for at svare
                                          • Ældste til nyeste
                                          • Nyeste til ældste
                                          • Most Votes


                                          • Log ind

                                          • Har du ikke en konto? Tilmeld

                                          • Login or register to search.
                                          Powered by NodeBB Contributors
                                          Graciously hosted by data.coop
                                          • First post
                                            Last post
                                          0
                                          • Hjem
                                          • Seneste
                                          • Etiketter
                                          • Populære
                                          • Verden
                                          • Bruger
                                          • Grupper