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  • pojntfx@mastodon.socialP pojntfx@mastodon.social

    https://bmi.usercontent.opencode.de/eudi-wallet/wallet-development-documentation-public/latest/architecture-concept/06-mobile-devices/02-mdvm/

    So, it turns out the German implementation of eIDAS (electronic ID wallet for e.g. age attestation) will require an Apple/Google account to function

    Absolutely pathetic

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    #108

    @pojntfx I wonder, why isn't anybody writing about EU age attestation in the first place? https://leminal.space/post/31858818/21120139

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    • larymir@chaos.socialL larymir@chaos.social

      @fallbackerik @pojntfx @arjen so yeah, good point, maybe you don't need an account, but it still wouldn't work an a degoogled phone
      So maybe it's not as bad, but still bad

      And I'm not sure if people who are banned from having a Google account are also forbidden from using those other Google services (without an account)
      (Of course you could still just use them, how will they know it's you? But we shouldn't expect people to break end user agreements)

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      #109

      @Larymir @fallbackerik @pojntfx @arjen

      It's broken, if it depends on Android (or iOS). It should run on other OSes, too, such as #Linux on PCs or on my #smartphone which runs #Mobian.

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      • pojntfx@mastodon.socialP pojntfx@mastodon.social

        If a German citizen gets sanctioned by the US government, once this is implemented (later this year), that means they will no longer be able to be a participating member of German society, e.g. to show their (digital) driver's license to traffic police

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        #110

        @pojntfx Can my government please start following the law or at least try to...

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        • lunadragofelis@void.lgbtL lunadragofelis@void.lgbt
          @pojntfx @tdelmas they probably haven't given that decision much thought at all, and just do it because almost every other "secure" app (like banking apps) do the same bullshit
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          #111

          @LunaDragofelis @tdelmas @pojntfx this issue was addressed eight months ago via their GitLab repo, so hopefully they've thought about it, but still they didn't change anything: https://gitlab.opencode.de/bmi/eudi-wallet/wallet-development-documentation-public/-/issues/2

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          • pojntfx@mastodon.socialP pojntfx@mastodon.social

            @tdelmas The whole remote attestation thing should be dropped from the proposal. The rest of it is unfortunate (no ZKs at all, just signed credentials), but the remote attestation part is truly asinine. I have no idea how and why that decision was made. The people behind this are adding a path dependency on Google/Apple on something as simple as showing your ID to buy alcohol.

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            #112
            @pojntfx @tdelmas as long as age checks are anonymous and allow a generous ratelimit, remote attestation is required to maintain the integrity of the system, that's probably why

            like, if i can make a custom android rom and automate issuing age proofs, then transmit them anywhere i want, then i can also create a fake miniwallet that would allow anyone to pass the age verification flow using my proofs. for a low price of 5 euros!

            i personally don't think that age verification is a good idea, and even if it has to happen, remote attestation creates more problems than it solves. people will find ways to bypass age checks regardless, so this only closes one of the gaps, while excluding a fair amount of people. but i imagine this was one of the concerns that led to the decision to make it a requirement.
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            • pojntfx@mastodon.socialP pojntfx@mastodon.social

              https://bmi.usercontent.opencode.de/eudi-wallet/wallet-development-documentation-public/latest/architecture-concept/06-mobile-devices/02-mdvm/

              So, it turns out the German implementation of eIDAS (electronic ID wallet for e.g. age attestation) will require an Apple/Google account to function

              Absolutely pathetic

              pavel@social.kernel.orgP This user is from outside of this forum
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              #113
              @pojntfx So Apple/Google can collect your data? And so Trump can shut you down? That is ... not good. That should not be legal.
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              • ahasty@techhub.socialA ahasty@techhub.social

                @hannorein @unnon89 @EloPup @pojntfx @tdelmas never attribute malice to that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

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                #114

                @ahasty any reasonably advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice

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                • pojntfx@mastodon.socialP pojntfx@mastodon.social

                  https://bmi.usercontent.opencode.de/eudi-wallet/wallet-development-documentation-public/latest/architecture-concept/06-mobile-devices/02-mdvm/

                  So, it turns out the German implementation of eIDAS (electronic ID wallet for e.g. age attestation) will require an Apple/Google account to function

                  Absolutely pathetic

                  ww@xyzzy.linkW This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #115
                  @pojntfx i wonder if they'll do anything to support huawei phones. according to statcounter, that's 1.6% of the german market!
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                  • zombiecide@polyglot.cityZ zombiecide@polyglot.city

                    @ahasty any reasonably advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice

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                    #116

                    @zombiecide the real malice is how society seems to give the most power to the stupidest people

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                    • pojntfx@mastodon.socialP pojntfx@mastodon.social

                      https://bmi.usercontent.opencode.de/eudi-wallet/wallet-development-documentation-public/latest/architecture-concept/06-mobile-devices/02-mdvm/

                      So, it turns out the German implementation of eIDAS (electronic ID wallet for e.g. age attestation) will require an Apple/Google account to function

                      Absolutely pathetic

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                      #117

                      @pojntfx@mastodon.social this is what I feared and anticipated.

                      I'm a nerd and early adoptor usually but I'm going more and more offline when it comes to state sanctioned digitalisation efforts as they try to cage me in.

                      I'm running GrapheneOS - I already can't use most of the mandated apps from my public health insurance as they insist on Google/Apple lock-in.

                      It's pathetic especially since it is entirely possible to get the same security guarantees using Android APIs alone.

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                      • pojntfx@mastodon.socialP pojntfx@mastodon.social

                        If a German citizen gets sanctioned by the US government, once this is implemented (later this year), that means they will no longer be able to be a participating member of German society, e.g. to show their (digital) driver's license to traffic police

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                        #118

                        @pojntfx That kind of is already the case. Try getting important apps without an apple or Google account... You can for android at the moment because of apks and third party mirrors. or using something like aurora store who have a bunch of Google accounts setup. But with app store age verification looming globally I think it is only a matter of time before that comes to and end. On top of that it seems like google is killing sideloading which won't help

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                        • ahasty@techhub.socialA ahasty@techhub.social

                          @zombiecide the real malice is how society seems to give the most power to the stupidest people

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                          #119

                          @ahasty I gave you a light-hearted way out of that direction, would've been nice if you took it

                          Hanlon's razor, while considered philosophical, is basically an emotional coping skill used to counteract certain types of rumination (caused by seeing current negative interaction as threat because of past trauma or learned behaviour)

                          emotional coping on its own, however, is of little use when dealing with current threats

                          and Hanlon's razor is not actually a very good emotional coping skill either

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                          • ahasty@techhub.socialA ahasty@techhub.social

                            @zombiecide the real malice is how society seems to give the most power to the stupidest people

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                            #120

                            @ahasty so while I empathize with the resignation and despair I would feel if I said what you said (and I might've said at one time), I also think society isn't in itself an entity that can think and give power to anybody, it's people who looked at the laws and the media and who decided to play as dirty as they could to gain power, and they're self-serving and some, actively malicious, and I need to do what I can to counteract this - in this case, help ensure access to services without eIDAS

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                            • pojntfx@mastodon.socialP pojntfx@mastodon.social

                              https://bmi.usercontent.opencode.de/eudi-wallet/wallet-development-documentation-public/latest/architecture-concept/06-mobile-devices/02-mdvm/

                              So, it turns out the German implementation of eIDAS (electronic ID wallet for e.g. age attestation) will require an Apple/Google account to function

                              Absolutely pathetic

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                              #121

                              @pojntfx thank you for sharing that important information. We’re working on a solution which may just improve this exact trust issue.

                              Imagine if you can bind your very own sovereign zero knowledge decentralised DNS certificate to your phone. Protecting you via the root of the OS.

                              Empowering every user from the very heart of the device. A global zero knowledge decentralised proof of personhood network. Owned exclusively by the people. Intended as a public good protocol 👍

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                              • pojntfx@mastodon.socialP pojntfx@mastodon.social

                                https://bmi.usercontent.opencode.de/eudi-wallet/wallet-development-documentation-public/latest/architecture-concept/06-mobile-devices/02-mdvm/

                                So, it turns out the German implementation of eIDAS (electronic ID wallet for e.g. age attestation) will require an Apple/Google account to function

                                Absolutely pathetic

                                artofalexcanemed@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #122

                                @pojntfx Imagine that your google account has been somehow hacked..
                                This will means, that your electronic-wallet, your bank accounts, your iban adresses, your government id also now hacked and all stolen..
                                Say goodbye to all of your money, maybe even say goodbye to your own flats, your own houses also..
                                You're been hacked. 🤮
                                Soon the world will understand how bad idea was this electronic-wallet system, but it will be too late to return back to good ol' days...

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                                • pojntfx@mastodon.socialP pojntfx@mastodon.social

                                  https://bmi.usercontent.opencode.de/eudi-wallet/wallet-development-documentation-public/latest/architecture-concept/06-mobile-devices/02-mdvm/

                                  So, it turns out the German implementation of eIDAS (electronic ID wallet for e.g. age attestation) will require an Apple/Google account to function

                                  Absolutely pathetic

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                                  #123

                                  @pojntfx As an American, I fucking hate this for us and for you.

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                                  • pojntfx@mastodon.socialP pojntfx@mastodon.social

                                    https://bmi.usercontent.opencode.de/eudi-wallet/wallet-development-documentation-public/latest/architecture-concept/06-mobile-devices/02-mdvm/

                                    So, it turns out the German implementation of eIDAS (electronic ID wallet for e.g. age attestation) will require an Apple/Google account to function

                                    Absolutely pathetic

                                    ireneista@adhd.irenes.spaceI This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #124

                                    @pojntfx oh wow. that's horrifying. entirely to be expected because industry voices have been basically the only ones at the table in setting policy around electronic ID, but horrifying.

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                                    • ireneista@adhd.irenes.spaceI ireneista@adhd.irenes.space

                                      @pojntfx oh wow. that's horrifying. entirely to be expected because industry voices have been basically the only ones at the table in setting policy around electronic ID, but horrifying.

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                                      #125

                                      @pojntfx it's been our personal biggest concern with all forms of electronic ID from the start, but alas we don't get to decide this stuff

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                                      • pojntfx@mastodon.socialP pojntfx@mastodon.social

                                        https://bmi.usercontent.opencode.de/eudi-wallet/wallet-development-documentation-public/latest/architecture-concept/06-mobile-devices/02-mdvm/

                                        So, it turns out the German implementation of eIDAS (electronic ID wallet for e.g. age attestation) will require an Apple/Google account to function

                                        Absolutely pathetic

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                                        #126

                                        @pojntfx dafuq?

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                                        • pojntfx@mastodon.socialP pojntfx@mastodon.social

                                          https://bmi.usercontent.opencode.de/eudi-wallet/wallet-development-documentation-public/latest/architecture-concept/06-mobile-devices/02-mdvm/

                                          So, it turns out the German implementation of eIDAS (electronic ID wallet for e.g. age attestation) will require an Apple/Google account to function

                                          Absolutely pathetic

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                                          laiabautistaesc@mastodon.social
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                                          #127

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