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  • pojntfx@mastodon.socialP pojntfx@mastodon.social

    https://bmi.usercontent.opencode.de/eudi-wallet/wallet-development-documentation-public/latest/architecture-concept/06-mobile-devices/02-mdvm/

    So, it turns out the German implementation of eIDAS (electronic ID wallet for e.g. age attestation) will require an Apple/Google account to function

    Absolutely pathetic

    pavel@social.kernel.orgP This user is from outside of this forum
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    #113
    @pojntfx So Apple/Google can collect your data? And so Trump can shut you down? That is ... not good. That should not be legal.
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    • ahasty@techhub.socialA ahasty@techhub.social

      @hannorein @unnon89 @EloPup @pojntfx @tdelmas never attribute malice to that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

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      #114

      @ahasty any reasonably advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice

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      • pojntfx@mastodon.socialP pojntfx@mastodon.social

        https://bmi.usercontent.opencode.de/eudi-wallet/wallet-development-documentation-public/latest/architecture-concept/06-mobile-devices/02-mdvm/

        So, it turns out the German implementation of eIDAS (electronic ID wallet for e.g. age attestation) will require an Apple/Google account to function

        Absolutely pathetic

        ww@xyzzy.linkW This user is from outside of this forum
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        #115
        @pojntfx i wonder if they'll do anything to support huawei phones. according to statcounter, that's 1.6% of the german market!
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        • zombiecide@polyglot.cityZ zombiecide@polyglot.city

          @ahasty any reasonably advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice

          ahasty@techhub.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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          #116

          @zombiecide the real malice is how society seems to give the most power to the stupidest people

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          • pojntfx@mastodon.socialP pojntfx@mastodon.social

            https://bmi.usercontent.opencode.de/eudi-wallet/wallet-development-documentation-public/latest/architecture-concept/06-mobile-devices/02-mdvm/

            So, it turns out the German implementation of eIDAS (electronic ID wallet for e.g. age attestation) will require an Apple/Google account to function

            Absolutely pathetic

            scatty_hannah@federation.networkS This user is from outside of this forum
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            #117

            @pojntfx@mastodon.social this is what I feared and anticipated.

            I'm a nerd and early adoptor usually but I'm going more and more offline when it comes to state sanctioned digitalisation efforts as they try to cage me in.

            I'm running GrapheneOS - I already can't use most of the mandated apps from my public health insurance as they insist on Google/Apple lock-in.

            It's pathetic especially since it is entirely possible to get the same security guarantees using Android APIs alone.

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            • pojntfx@mastodon.socialP pojntfx@mastodon.social

              If a German citizen gets sanctioned by the US government, once this is implemented (later this year), that means they will no longer be able to be a participating member of German society, e.g. to show their (digital) driver's license to traffic police

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              #118

              @pojntfx That kind of is already the case. Try getting important apps without an apple or Google account... You can for android at the moment because of apks and third party mirrors. or using something like aurora store who have a bunch of Google accounts setup. But with app store age verification looming globally I think it is only a matter of time before that comes to and end. On top of that it seems like google is killing sideloading which won't help

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              • ahasty@techhub.socialA ahasty@techhub.social

                @zombiecide the real malice is how society seems to give the most power to the stupidest people

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                #119

                @ahasty I gave you a light-hearted way out of that direction, would've been nice if you took it

                Hanlon's razor, while considered philosophical, is basically an emotional coping skill used to counteract certain types of rumination (caused by seeing current negative interaction as threat because of past trauma or learned behaviour)

                emotional coping on its own, however, is of little use when dealing with current threats

                and Hanlon's razor is not actually a very good emotional coping skill either

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                • ahasty@techhub.socialA ahasty@techhub.social

                  @zombiecide the real malice is how society seems to give the most power to the stupidest people

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                  #120

                  @ahasty so while I empathize with the resignation and despair I would feel if I said what you said (and I might've said at one time), I also think society isn't in itself an entity that can think and give power to anybody, it's people who looked at the laws and the media and who decided to play as dirty as they could to gain power, and they're self-serving and some, actively malicious, and I need to do what I can to counteract this - in this case, help ensure access to services without eIDAS

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                  • pojntfx@mastodon.socialP pojntfx@mastodon.social

                    https://bmi.usercontent.opencode.de/eudi-wallet/wallet-development-documentation-public/latest/architecture-concept/06-mobile-devices/02-mdvm/

                    So, it turns out the German implementation of eIDAS (electronic ID wallet for e.g. age attestation) will require an Apple/Google account to function

                    Absolutely pathetic

                    tobes@social.zkd.idT This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #121

                    @pojntfx thank you for sharing that important information. We’re working on a solution which may just improve this exact trust issue.

                    Imagine if you can bind your very own sovereign zero knowledge decentralised DNS certificate to your phone. Protecting you via the root of the OS.

                    Empowering every user from the very heart of the device. A global zero knowledge decentralised proof of personhood network. Owned exclusively by the people. Intended as a public good protocol 👍

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                    • pojntfx@mastodon.socialP pojntfx@mastodon.social

                      https://bmi.usercontent.opencode.de/eudi-wallet/wallet-development-documentation-public/latest/architecture-concept/06-mobile-devices/02-mdvm/

                      So, it turns out the German implementation of eIDAS (electronic ID wallet for e.g. age attestation) will require an Apple/Google account to function

                      Absolutely pathetic

                      artofalexcanemed@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #122

                      @pojntfx Imagine that your google account has been somehow hacked..
                      This will means, that your electronic-wallet, your bank accounts, your iban adresses, your government id also now hacked and all stolen..
                      Say goodbye to all of your money, maybe even say goodbye to your own flats, your own houses also..
                      You're been hacked. 🤮
                      Soon the world will understand how bad idea was this electronic-wallet system, but it will be too late to return back to good ol' days...

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                      • pojntfx@mastodon.socialP pojntfx@mastodon.social

                        https://bmi.usercontent.opencode.de/eudi-wallet/wallet-development-documentation-public/latest/architecture-concept/06-mobile-devices/02-mdvm/

                        So, it turns out the German implementation of eIDAS (electronic ID wallet for e.g. age attestation) will require an Apple/Google account to function

                        Absolutely pathetic

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                        #123

                        @pojntfx As an American, I fucking hate this for us and for you.

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                        • pojntfx@mastodon.socialP pojntfx@mastodon.social

                          https://bmi.usercontent.opencode.de/eudi-wallet/wallet-development-documentation-public/latest/architecture-concept/06-mobile-devices/02-mdvm/

                          So, it turns out the German implementation of eIDAS (electronic ID wallet for e.g. age attestation) will require an Apple/Google account to function

                          Absolutely pathetic

                          ireneista@adhd.irenes.spaceI This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #124

                          @pojntfx oh wow. that's horrifying. entirely to be expected because industry voices have been basically the only ones at the table in setting policy around electronic ID, but horrifying.

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                          • ireneista@adhd.irenes.spaceI ireneista@adhd.irenes.space

                            @pojntfx oh wow. that's horrifying. entirely to be expected because industry voices have been basically the only ones at the table in setting policy around electronic ID, but horrifying.

                            ireneista@adhd.irenes.spaceI This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #125

                            @pojntfx it's been our personal biggest concern with all forms of electronic ID from the start, but alas we don't get to decide this stuff

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                            • pojntfx@mastodon.socialP pojntfx@mastodon.social

                              https://bmi.usercontent.opencode.de/eudi-wallet/wallet-development-documentation-public/latest/architecture-concept/06-mobile-devices/02-mdvm/

                              So, it turns out the German implementation of eIDAS (electronic ID wallet for e.g. age attestation) will require an Apple/Google account to function

                              Absolutely pathetic

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                              #126

                              @pojntfx dafuq?

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                              • pojntfx@mastodon.socialP pojntfx@mastodon.social

                                https://bmi.usercontent.opencode.de/eudi-wallet/wallet-development-documentation-public/latest/architecture-concept/06-mobile-devices/02-mdvm/

                                So, it turns out the German implementation of eIDAS (electronic ID wallet for e.g. age attestation) will require an Apple/Google account to function

                                Absolutely pathetic

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                                #127

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                                • elopup@mastodon.socialE elopup@mastodon.social

                                  @pojntfx @tdelmas

                                  What I am always asking myself: The ppl behind this (theoretically) have access to pretty much every expert they want to, how do they still come up with stuff like this?

                                  Same story for so many tech related policy proposals…

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                                  #128
                                  Yes, but the tech companies have the ability to pay the right experts to walk by them all day and provide explanations about how this is ok, really.


                                  CC: @pojntfx@mastodon.social @tdelmas@mamot.fr
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                                  • pojntfx@mastodon.socialP pojntfx@mastodon.social

                                    https://bmi.usercontent.opencode.de/eudi-wallet/wallet-development-documentation-public/latest/architecture-concept/06-mobile-devices/02-mdvm/

                                    So, it turns out the German implementation of eIDAS (electronic ID wallet for e.g. age attestation) will require an Apple/Google account to function

                                    Absolutely pathetic

                                    paulk@writing.exchangeP This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #129

                                    @pojntfx Why not facebook and make it even worse... 🤦‍♂️

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                                    • pojntfx@mastodon.socialP pojntfx@mastodon.social

                                      https://bmi.usercontent.opencode.de/eudi-wallet/wallet-development-documentation-public/latest/architecture-concept/06-mobile-devices/02-mdvm/

                                      So, it turns out the German implementation of eIDAS (electronic ID wallet for e.g. age attestation) will require an Apple/Google account to function

                                      Absolutely pathetic

                                      jens@social.finkhaeuser.deJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #130

                                      @pojntfx This is going to be the way it's implemented, then someone will take them to court for some reasons, and there'll be another way around it that's undocumented but free from this shit. This will delay the project by three years, and explode the costs because nobody could have predicted this requirement, like always.

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