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  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

    RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

    The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

    It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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    #36

    @tante A) he makes it sound like the instant skill download from The Matrix

    B) Would you fly a helicopter if the knowledge pack was assembled by existing AI models? Would a model 5 years out get to six-sigma?

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    • mossman@social.vivaldi.netM mossman@social.vivaldi.net

      @tante Rick Beato - of all people - made me much more optimistic this morning when he pointed out that far from "owning" the LLMs, all the tech bro companies will go the way of the big expensive music studios when everyone ends up doing it themselves on their own laptop. Excellent point well made, I think...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTLnnoZPALI

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      #37

      @mossman yeah I didn't find his argument very convincing tbh

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      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

        RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

        The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

        It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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        #38

        @tante How quickly the supposed nonprofit mission of OpenAI has been forgotten in favor of "metered intelligence for sale."

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        • quasit@kolektiva.socialQ quasit@kolektiva.social

          @tante
          Perhaps they will make it illegal to be educated. They could treat it as theft of the intellectual property of the elite. I suppose the punishment would be lobotomy!

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          #39

          @Quasit @tante

          Do not fucking give them ideas!

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          • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

            RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

            The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

            It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

            tagyourtoe@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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            #40

            @tante Why does Sam Altman look like somebody put Frosty the Snowman's hat on a condom full of tapioca pudding and then kicked it in the head until it had brain damage?

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            • patrick_h_lauke@mastodon.socialP patrick_h_lauke@mastodon.social

              @tante and also, the whole power dynamic of shifting home/personal computing back to a mainframe that you need to buy time on. what has already happened with a lot of software moving to a "rent, but never own" model

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              #41

              @patrick_h_lauke @tante I actually prefer software subscriptions, so long as they’re reasonably priced. I’ve seen too many apps fade and die because their devs can’t afford to maintain them. I like open source, but we’ve convinced ourselves that software should be free, which is as much of a delusion as saying AI isn’t massive intellectual property theft.

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              • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

                The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

                It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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                #42

                @tante

                This reminds me of a Johnny Mnemonic scenario, where any of us may have unauthorized data in our head that could be picked up by brain scans, resulting in criminal charges, civil liability and forced extraction.

                *Torment Nexus is a warning not a business plan meme*

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                • artgeek@mastodon.socialA artgeek@mastodon.social

                  @patrick_h_lauke @tante I actually prefer software subscriptions, so long as they’re reasonably priced. I’ve seen too many apps fade and die because their devs can’t afford to maintain them. I like open source, but we’ve convinced ourselves that software should be free, which is as much of a delusion as saying AI isn’t massive intellectual property theft.

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                  #43

                  @patrick_h_lauke @tante I will agree that large corporations are virtually forcing us into cloud storage and on demand downloads so that we’re dependent on them. I had to jump through hoops to keep local copies of my files.

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                  • artgeek@mastodon.socialA artgeek@mastodon.social

                    @patrick_h_lauke @tante I will agree that large corporations are virtually forcing us into cloud storage and on demand downloads so that we’re dependent on them. I had to jump through hoops to keep local copies of my files.

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                    #44

                    @ArtGeek @patrick_h_lauke @tante

                    I prefer Davinci Resolve's model of selling permanent licenses to each major release. So you pay a few hundred bucks to own the software indefinitely, but if they release a version with a bunch of new features you can pay to upgrade. Much more ethical than subscriptions.

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                    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                      RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

                      The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

                      It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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                      #45

                      @tante the only way this is like Uber is that you may have forgot how to drive the car, but now you have to focus on making sure people get to the right place. Even when they might not know where they're trying to get to. Also to create a safe environment for that car to drive in, because otherwise it will definitely hurt people.

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                      • contrasocial@mastodon.socialC contrasocial@mastodon.social

                        @ArtGeek @patrick_h_lauke @tante

                        I prefer Davinci Resolve's model of selling permanent licenses to each major release. So you pay a few hundred bucks to own the software indefinitely, but if they release a version with a bunch of new features you can pay to upgrade. Much more ethical than subscriptions.

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                        #46

                        @contrasocial @ArtGeek @tante ditto with CaptureOne, Ableton Live...

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                        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                          RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

                          The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

                          It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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                          #47

                          @tante Tell me you have no clue what intelligence is without admitting it.

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                          • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                            RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

                            The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

                            It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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                            #48

                            @tante I am literally old enough to have heard Lewis Stauss say nuclear energy would be "too cheap to meter". I wonder what his / his contemporaries' great-grandchildren are thinking about that.

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                            • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                              RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

                              The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

                              It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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                              #49

                              @tante where are more Luigis when you really need them...

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                              • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

                                The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

                                It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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                                #50

                                @tante So what is the point of being a human being? Altman and his AI mates are weapons of mass destruction.

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                                • ftranschel@norden.socialF ftranschel@norden.social

                                  @lritter @tante I think the answer to this question may put you in despair.

                                  But don't fret; even good ol' Marie Antoinette already had an answer for that.

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                                  #51

                                  @ftranschel @lritter @tante

                                  So did Jacobins.

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                                  • johnzajac@dice.campJ johnzajac@dice.camp

                                    @tante

                                    It's extra funny because his technology is garbage and is not capable, in any form, of replacing or even augmenting human intelligence.

                                    Any database in which 20% of the data is wrong, but you don't know which 20%, is a database in which 100% of the data is useless.

                                    He can dream shit like this up as much as he wants, but it's not going to happen.

                                    No matter how much the Bosses shovel LLMs down our throats, they're never going to not be garbage.

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                                    #52

                                    @johnzajac He doesn't need to be able to genuinely improve the product. Just make a good enough sales pitch. Enshittification is the business model.
                                    @tante

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                                    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                      RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

                                      The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

                                      It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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                                      #53

                                      @tante This is why we must - at any opportunity - choose not to outsource our own thinking.

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                                      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                        RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

                                        The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

                                        It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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                                        #54

                                        @tante Last week, I had someone on reddit claiming that programming will become an old man's hobby because of AI.

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