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The journey of tech empowerment and liberation from tech bros can be a long, bumpy road.

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  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

    My new approach vis-à-vis transitioning away from #Proton (in a slow way) - cont':

    For every new email that comes in that uses one of my Proton email addresses (or aliases), I am making changes, updating the email address for that account (if it's shopping/newsletter/admin) or I am notifying the sender that going forward my default email address will be the one associated to my domain name.

    It's a pain, but it's long overdue.

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    #83

    @_elena That's a good idea! Going to start doing the same!

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    • tobias@social.tobiaseigen.orgT tobias@social.tobiaseigen.org

      @_elena awesome! This sounds like a solid approach. I moved from my Gmail.com email to self hosted on my own domain using mailcow last year and it took about two months before everything flowed through mailcow. It’s a project but very feasible and fully worth it!

      Still have the gmail for the occasional email that still comes in and to use Google tools like Remote Desktop connection. But everything’s that matters I moved to my digitally sovereign tech stack.

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      #84

      @_elena I journaled my degoogling experience at https://digitallysovereign.org/t/degoogling-moving-personal-gmail-to-self-hosted-open-source-email/8?u=tobias

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      • tobias@social.tobiaseigen.orgT tobias@social.tobiaseigen.org

        @TerryHancock @_elena @doncow My mailcow s server is on hetzner.

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        #85

        @tobias @_elena @doncow

        Have I mentioned that my rural ISP blocks a large part of Hetzner's cloud...?

        Yes. I have IT problems to solve. 🤦‍♂️

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        • terryhancock@realsocial.lifeT terryhancock@realsocial.life

          @tobias @_elena @doncow

          Have I mentioned that my rural ISP blocks a large part of Hetzner's cloud...?

          Yes. I have IT problems to solve. 🤦‍♂️

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          #86

          @TerryHancock @_elena @doncow what that is crazy. So you can’t access my website? https://tobiaseigen.org

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          • tobias@social.tobiaseigen.orgT tobias@social.tobiaseigen.org

            @TerryHancock @_elena @doncow what that is crazy. So you can’t access my website? https://tobiaseigen.org

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            #87

            @tobias @_elena @doncow

            No. That one worked. It's kind of a crap shoot. But I have to use a proxy to use FreeSound -- and the Libre Office home page.

            And it might be why the KDE bug tracker doesn't work for me.

            My ISP is using some outdated, over-eager IP block list (this is an ongoing issue, and I think I've hijacked this thread more than I should, already).

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            • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

              My new approach vis-à-vis transitioning away from #Proton (in a slow way) - cont':

              For every new email that comes in that uses one of my Proton email addresses (or aliases), I am making changes, updating the email address for that account (if it's shopping/newsletter/admin) or I am notifying the sender that going forward my default email address will be the one associated to my domain name.

              It's a pain, but it's long overdue.

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              #88

              @_elena this is something I need to do (and tbh have been meaning to do) with my Gmail for years... but haven't got round to because of the pain of the transition and difficulty in figuring out where to go.

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              • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                My new approach vis-à-vis transitioning away from #Proton (in a slow way) - cont':

                For every new email that comes in that uses one of my Proton email addresses (or aliases), I am making changes, updating the email address for that account (if it's shopping/newsletter/admin) or I am notifying the sender that going forward my default email address will be the one associated to my domain name.

                It's a pain, but it's long overdue.

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                #89

                @_elena Thank you for sharing this, I also need a way forward like this and was feeling kind of overwhelmed.

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                • dylenar@mastodon.socialD dylenar@mastodon.social

                  i felt split between proton and tuta. I guess i made the right choice to go with tuta (for now at least)

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                  #90

                  @dylenar Tuta is also flirting with AI. I think we have to face the fact that every software project is going to be tempted to embrace AI. How they integrate it into their dev process is going to be a differentiator.

                  For years the #1 Proton complaint, by far, has been how slow their development process is for new features. I suspect this is a reaction to that. Tuta also is a small team and I suspect the draw of AI is very strong.

                  https://mastodon.social/@Tutanota/117518311002072172

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                  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                    My new approach vis-à-vis transitioning away from #Proton (in a slow way) - cont':

                    For every new email that comes in that uses one of my Proton email addresses (or aliases), I am making changes, updating the email address for that account (if it's shopping/newsletter/admin) or I am notifying the sender that going forward my default email address will be the one associated to my domain name.

                    It's a pain, but it's long overdue.

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                    #91

                    @_elena yea, switching e-mail gradually is relatively easy. The next challenge is finding a European VPN provider that works on the common video streaming platforms...

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                    • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                      The journey of tech empowerment and liberation from tech bros can be a long, bumpy road.

                      The biggest tech regret of my adult life is that I didn't use a custom domain name as my main email address, so that when things invariably go south, I can simply hop to a new email provider.

                      The hundred or so email aliases I made with #Proton are a real headache right now. Time to clean up my mess.

                      What am I talking about? This ICYMI: https://www.404media.co/manifestos-fear-and-loser-thinking-inside-protons-ai-reckoning/

                      #NoAI #enshittification #ProtonMail

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                      #92
                      @_elena Why not host your own email on one of your servers?
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                      • richardurban@friendica.visionroot.orgR richardurban@friendica.visionroot.org
                        @_elena Why not host your own email on one of your servers?
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                        #93

                        @richardurban I don't want to deal with deliverability issues

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                        • smilingdemon@mastodon.artS smilingdemon@mastodon.art

                          @_elena this is something I need to do (and tbh have been meaning to do) with my Gmail for years... but haven't got round to because of the pain of the transition and difficulty in figuring out where to go.

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                          #94

                          @smilingdemon using your own domain name as your default email address may take away some of the pain (re: figuring out where to land next) because the transition is pretty much painless

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                          • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                            The journey of tech empowerment and liberation from tech bros can be a long, bumpy road.

                            The biggest tech regret of my adult life is that I didn't use a custom domain name as my main email address, so that when things invariably go south, I can simply hop to a new email provider.

                            The hundred or so email aliases I made with #Proton are a real headache right now. Time to clean up my mess.

                            What am I talking about? This ICYMI: https://www.404media.co/manifestos-fear-and-loser-thinking-inside-protons-ai-reckoning/

                            #NoAI #enshittification #ProtonMail

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                            #95

                            @_elena

                            'In a follow-up message, Yen reiterated his point: “only losers think like that.” His ultimate message for the team was to “stop lovingly handcrafting all our code and use AI more.”'

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                            • burningtyger@nrw.socialB burningtyger@nrw.social

                              @_elena I'm finding it pretty difficult to select a mail provider for my domain. Going with icloud for the time being but I'm not happy. Also I have a .im tld which is not ideal to say the least. I don't think emails and domains are a good thing altogether.

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                              #96

                              @burningTyger @_elena

                              i've been very happy with fastmail for many years.

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                              • waltbaldwin@mastodon.energyW waltbaldwin@mastodon.energy

                                @_elena

                                'In a follow-up message, Yen reiterated his point: “only losers think like that.” His ultimate message for the team was to “stop lovingly handcrafting all our code and use AI more.”'

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                                #97

                                @waltbaldwin I know. Inadmissible. That's why I'm waiting to see if the board gives him and the CTO the boot. I don't see how the company can recover from this

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                                • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                  The journey of tech empowerment and liberation from tech bros can be a long, bumpy road.

                                  The biggest tech regret of my adult life is that I didn't use a custom domain name as my main email address, so that when things invariably go south, I can simply hop to a new email provider.

                                  The hundred or so email aliases I made with #Proton are a real headache right now. Time to clean up my mess.

                                  What am I talking about? This ICYMI: https://www.404media.co/manifestos-fear-and-loser-thinking-inside-protons-ai-reckoning/

                                  #NoAI #enshittification #ProtonMail

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                                  #98

                                  @_elena I've kept my SimpleLogin account separate from my Proton account for this possibility. Were you using the built-in alias functionality or a separate alias solution? I haven't tried to migrate, yet, but I'm hoping the separation does still exist for and I can just point my aliased addresses at a new mailbox.

                                  I'm also probably going to look into a different email alias provider, because SimpleLogin is owned by Proton.

                                  If/when I do migrate off of Proton, I'll likely use this as an opportunity to use my own registered domain, too. I still want to use a generalized alias email domain but having a custom domain for my personal email would be good.

                                  #Proton #ProtonAG #AndyYen #SimpleLogin #AISlop #Privacy #Security

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                                  • seanm@infosec.exchangeS seanm@infosec.exchange

                                    @_elena I've kept my SimpleLogin account separate from my Proton account for this possibility. Were you using the built-in alias functionality or a separate alias solution? I haven't tried to migrate, yet, but I'm hoping the separation does still exist for and I can just point my aliased addresses at a new mailbox.

                                    I'm also probably going to look into a different email alias provider, because SimpleLogin is owned by Proton.

                                    If/when I do migrate off of Proton, I'll likely use this as an opportunity to use my own registered domain, too. I still want to use a generalized alias email domain but having a custom domain for my personal email would be good.

                                    #Proton #ProtonAG #AndyYen #SimpleLogin #AISlop #Privacy #Security

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                                    #99

                                    @seanm "luckily" I created all my aliases inside ProtonMail - so they should last even after (if) I cancel my plan. It's a shame that SimpleLogin is owned by Proton, I don't know of any other good alternatives and I LOVED the Dark Web Monitoring, sigh

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                                    • paulk@writing.exchangeP paulk@writing.exchange

                                      @_elena Aye, this shocked me a big one too. I don't use their mail option a lot but I have Proton Pass. Seriously considering the move back to KeepassXC now.

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                                      #100

                                      @paulk I strongly recommend not tying your password manager to anything else. It doesn't have to be an offline password manager but it should be separate from your email, office suite, etc service. I have read horror stories of people being locked out of their Google, Apple, etc accounts for random (or legitimate) reasons. If this account also houses your passwords then you're really out of luck.

                                      I use a mix of KeePassXC and a cloud-based password manager service.

                                      @_elena

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                                      • seanm@infosec.exchangeS seanm@infosec.exchange

                                        @paulk I strongly recommend not tying your password manager to anything else. It doesn't have to be an offline password manager but it should be separate from your email, office suite, etc service. I have read horror stories of people being locked out of their Google, Apple, etc accounts for random (or legitimate) reasons. If this account also houses your passwords then you're really out of luck.

                                        I use a mix of KeePassXC and a cloud-based password manager service.

                                        @_elena

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                                        #101

                                        @seanm I moved away to KeepassXC which is synced via Nextcloud. It works very well.

                                        edit: I'm actually considering one of KeepassXC's paid options, simply to sponsor them.

                                        @_elena

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                                        • seanm@infosec.exchangeS seanm@infosec.exchange

                                          @_elena I've kept my SimpleLogin account separate from my Proton account for this possibility. Were you using the built-in alias functionality or a separate alias solution? I haven't tried to migrate, yet, but I'm hoping the separation does still exist for and I can just point my aliased addresses at a new mailbox.

                                          I'm also probably going to look into a different email alias provider, because SimpleLogin is owned by Proton.

                                          If/when I do migrate off of Proton, I'll likely use this as an opportunity to use my own registered domain, too. I still want to use a generalized alias email domain but having a custom domain for my personal email would be good.

                                          #Proton #ProtonAG #AndyYen #SimpleLogin #AISlop #Privacy #Security

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                                          #102

                                          What about https://addy.io/pricing/ @seanm @_elena

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