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  • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

    a list of games, developers and studios to boycott. handy!

    https://store.steampowered.com/curator/46280965/sale/AIGamingFestival

    psychuan@plush.cityP This user is from outside of this forum
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    #33

    @davidgerard how apt. the page appears to be broken.

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    • chx@chx.contactC chx@chx.contact

      @davidgerard meanwhile Mark Roberts from Grinding Gear Games: "But I’m just like, from my understanding, and it mostly comes from us trying to recruit people, my understanding is we’re already working multitudes faster than every other company under the sun. Almost. So why should we go and adopt technologies that would slow you down?"

      https://outputlag.com/feature/diving-deep-into-path-of-exile-curse-of-the-allflame-with-grinding-gear-games/

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      #34

      @chx @davidgerard

      Love it.

      "We're actually good at our jobs" in short.

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      • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

        a list of games, developers and studios to boycott. handy!

        https://store.steampowered.com/curator/46280965/sale/AIGamingFestival

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        #35

        @davidgerard didn't they already do this some years ago or am I having deja vu?

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        • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

          a list of games, developers and studios to boycott. handy!

          https://store.steampowered.com/curator/46280965/sale/AIGamingFestival

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          #36

          @davidgerard Others do what Nintendon't 😁

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          • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

            a list of games, developers and studios to boycott. handy!

            https://store.steampowered.com/curator/46280965/sale/AIGamingFestival

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            #37

            @davidgerard Oh good, the "trigger your basal 'danger' reactions" pack.

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            • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

              @davidgerard real rich for them to do this on Steam of all places, owned by the only big corporation in gaming remotely smart enough to realize that gamers fucking hate AI

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              #38

              @zzt @davidgerard If they really did they'd probably do more to prevent it popping up.

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              • rycochet@furs.socialR rycochet@furs.social

                @navi @davidgerard The same reason one of the games rips off the RunDMC logo, when your mindset is 'I like money and hate effort!' and your 'creative partner' relies entirely on vomiting a homogenate of things that already exist, you're not getting anything new.

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                #39

                @Rycochet @navi @davidgerard They wish to bask in the faint glow reflected off true creativity and cool in the hopes it'll confer cool onto them.

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                • jplebreton@mastodon.socialJ jplebreton@mastodon.social

                  @davidgerard the word "festival" makes it appear much more like a valve-sanctioned event, like the themed sales weeks they commonly run on the platform. i wonder if this will lead to any steam policy changes.
                  steam's user culture hates AI and can be super toxic in that classic gamergatey way, and for once (compared to all the times they're freaking out about eg a woman or LGBTQ character or dev) they might act in alignment with the rest of us.

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                  #40

                  @jplebreton @davidgerard Most fests on Steam know when to quit gracefully, this one's just dicking around for a whole month.

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                  • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                    @davidgerard real rich for them to do this on Steam of all places, owned by the only big corporation in gaming remotely smart enough to realize that gamers fucking hate AI

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                    #41

                    @zzt @davidgerard I mean, they *could* ban the slop.
                    They just require people disclose it on a honour system.
                    I don't think they're particularly opposed, either.
                    Just the classic "don't make *us* liable" stuff Steam seems to do for every issue.

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                    • natanox@chaos.socialN natanox@chaos.social

                      @pndc @kaito02 @davidgerard Fair enough, though the question is still why anyone would litter their expensive hard drives with this garbage instead of high quality games - preferably those you own (fuck "licenses", you OWN what you bought).

                      I'd rather have a copy of every single git commit version of Beyond All Reason on disk (like, physically, no version management inbetween) than a single of those Slop "games".

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                      #42

                      @Natanox @pndc @kaito02 @davidgerard Beyond All Reason explicitly allows AI code, so probably not a best example of nonslop.

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                      • flesh@gts.fleshcraft.techF flesh@gts.fleshcraft.tech

                        @Natanox @pndc @kaito02 @davidgerard Beyond All Reason explicitly allows AI code, so probably not a best example of nonslop.

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                        #43

                        @flesh @pndc @kaito02 @davidgerard ?)U$§TZ=H(TZ$Z(=WGFRHIOGHJLFH§=$(UT%$=TZEGHZER(OPÜHFG=($Z(%T)Z()=$TR/)§=(§)=?%$ZHT)zh4hgzf9rzt30r8z=TZG$(ZTÜ=ZTRt

                        fuck.

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                        • flesh@gts.fleshcraft.techF flesh@gts.fleshcraft.tech

                          @Natanox @pndc @kaito02 @davidgerard Beyond All Reason explicitly allows AI code, so probably not a best example of nonslop.

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                          #44

                          @Natanox @pndc @kaito02 @davidgerard Citation: https://github.com/beyond-all-reason/Beyond-All-Reason/blob/master/AI_POLICY.md

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                          • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                            a list of games, developers and studios to boycott. handy!

                            https://store.steampowered.com/curator/46280965/sale/AIGamingFestival

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                            #45

                            @davidgerard

                            NB: They let the LLM post all the articles about it and it fucked up even that: https://steamcommunity.com/groups/aigamingfestival/eventcomments/585058652581544556/#c585059318369646471

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                            • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                              a list of games, developers and studios to boycott. handy!

                              https://store.steampowered.com/curator/46280965/sale/AIGamingFestival

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                              #46

                              @davidgerard Marked every single game "ignored" and it's honestly a little funny watching steam struggle with that page now

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                              • flesh@gts.fleshcraft.techF flesh@gts.fleshcraft.tech

                                @Natanox @pndc @kaito02 @davidgerard Citation: https://github.com/beyond-all-reason/Beyond-All-Reason/blob/master/AI_POLICY.md

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                                #47

                                @flesh @pndc @kaito02 @davidgerard I mean, I've seen worse… and I've seen better. At least they specifically ban any kind of media slop and limit the use of LLMs to "assistance". Also people having to tell which one they used might enable social pressure, away from the most evil ones (like Grok / xAI).

                                If the LLMs weren't made through the absolute most inhumane practices possible it would even be reasonable… and I still wonder why FOSS projects don't limit LLM stuff to "true FOSS-only".

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                                • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                  a list of games, developers and studios to boycott. handy!

                                  https://store.steampowered.com/curator/46280965/sale/AIGamingFestival

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                                  #48

                                  @davidgerard Yeesh, those all look like humans were only tangentially related to their creation.

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                                  • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                    a list of games, developers and studios to boycott. handy!

                                    https://store.steampowered.com/curator/46280965/sale/AIGamingFestival

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                                    #49

                                    @davidgerard Everyone hit report grouop, select the piracy option and write a sentence or 2 about how ai generated content is based on stolen work

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                                    • natanox@chaos.socialN natanox@chaos.social

                                      @flesh @pndc @kaito02 @davidgerard I mean, I've seen worse… and I've seen better. At least they specifically ban any kind of media slop and limit the use of LLMs to "assistance". Also people having to tell which one they used might enable social pressure, away from the most evil ones (like Grok / xAI).

                                      If the LLMs weren't made through the absolute most inhumane practices possible it would even be reasonable… and I still wonder why FOSS projects don't limit LLM stuff to "true FOSS-only".

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                                      #50

                                      @Natanox @pndc @kaito02 @davidgerard Personally, I find the fact it's explicitly permitted alone to be a "avoid like the plague" project.
                                      The fact they ban slop images is more weird than it is helpful.

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                                      • flesh@gts.fleshcraft.techF flesh@gts.fleshcraft.tech

                                        @Natanox @pndc @kaito02 @davidgerard Personally, I find the fact it's explicitly permitted alone to be a "avoid like the plague" project.
                                        The fact they ban slop images is more weird than it is helpful.

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                                        #51

                                        @flesh @pndc @kaito02 @davidgerard Well, at least they don't permit "vibe-coding". So that's something.

                                        Why is it weird they ban slop images and sounds? I think that's just the most fundamental baseline.

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                                        • natanox@chaos.socialN natanox@chaos.social

                                          @flesh @pndc @kaito02 @davidgerard Well, at least they don't permit "vibe-coding". So that's something.

                                          Why is it weird they ban slop images and sounds? I think that's just the most fundamental baseline.

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                                          #52

                                          @Natanox @flesh @pndc @kaito02

                                          > Well, at least they don't permit "vibe-coding"

                                          what they allow is absolutely what non-vibecoders think of as vibecoding. Slop is permitted, that's the bottom line.

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