I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets I would probably send back a polite message indicating that you are perfectly capable of operating a chatbot as well, and that what you wanted was their specifically human perspective, and I would pad that with some sort of statement about how much esteem you have heretofore had for their particular intellect, and how sad it is to be denied that in favor of anti-thought.
This leaves the way open for them to be thoughtful, if they have not completely lost that capacity yet. You could well save them, who knows.
Your call whether to indicate that this will otherwise be the last time you come to them for that, but obviously that has to be the case; it is entirely possible that sending back a ChatGPT result was, in fact, an implied statement of their contempt for you and your worthiness of their time and thought.
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@iamnmm @sundogplanets Last time I talked to this specific person, he said that his job was "being a meat terminal for Claude". He said this with apparent *pride*.
I have avoided him since.
@datarama @sundogplanets being proud to not contribute anything, ignorant of the fact that such people will be the first to be made obsolete and laid off, and then will most likely whine and moan and blame AI when they are being laid off.
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I really appreciate all the great advice and suggestions. I'm just... so disappointed and know I have to approach all my interactions with this person differently in the future. I've written up a long email, but I'm realizing that won't work as well as having a conversation with the person. Especially because I'm likely to start crying during the conversation. So. That's going to be FUN.
But maybe it will help one person be less addicted to the forest-burning plagiarism machine? Maybe?
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@sundogplanets @ravenbait I'm wondering if we shouldn't put an explicit clause at the beginning of all our emails with an attachment -- "this is copyrighted material, please do not feed any of the content or attachments of this email into an AI"
@frincon @sundogplanets @ravenbait Unless you own the mail server, it's being used anyway. Guarantee it.
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets I'm sorry that sucks so much
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@iamnmm @sundogplanets Last time I talked to this specific person, he said that his job was "being a meat terminal for Claude". He said this with apparent *pride*.
I have avoided him since.
@datarama
meat terminal!? 🥶 @iamnmm @sundogplanets -
I really appreciate all the great advice and suggestions. I'm just... so disappointed and know I have to approach all my interactions with this person differently in the future. I've written up a long email, but I'm realizing that won't work as well as having a conversation with the person. Especially because I'm likely to start crying during the conversation. So. That's going to be FUN.
But maybe it will help one person be less addicted to the forest-burning plagiarism machine? Maybe?
Not sure if this helps, but have been sending this piece to friends who have become addicted: https://www.netmeister.org/blog/everybodys-lost-their-minds.html
And highlighting this quote: "AI is the tool that dulls its users; it incrementally replaces understanding with a new dependency and addiction as you actively de-skill yourself."
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets do you know that they actually fed it to chatgpt or did they roughly outline their feedback and concerns and ask chatgpt to turn it into professional sounding and well formatted feedback they could share?
I could understand being annoyed both ways but i think I’d feel different about this kind of assistance.
I might ask them something like “hey it looks like you used llm - can you tell me more about how you used it? I’d prefer my unpublished work wasn’t fed into these tools!”
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@sundogplanets Years later, I'm still reeling from when someone, during an actual face-to-face conversation, took out his phone to ask ChatGPT what to say to me.
@datarama @sundogplanets Man, if that ever happens to me I sure hope it's not when I'm at work, because an honest response *has* to contain the word 'fuck'.
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@datarama @sundogplanets Man, if that ever happens to me I sure hope it's not when I'm at work, because an honest response *has* to contain the word 'fuck'.
@kentenmakto @sundogplanets My response, I'm sorry to say, was standing there like an idiot staring into air, my brain not really able to process in real-time what had just happened.
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets I had a colleague put a manuscript through an llm. It wasn't even a local llm. The "work" it did was obviously trash. I will never work with this colleague ever again on research
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets FWIW, a couple of people that have sent me slop messages in the past stopped after lukewarm/nonexistent responses. hopefully you'll get lucky too. i want to believe that some people are just trying it out because it's popular and give up after a while
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@datarama @sundogplanets being proud to not contribute anything, ignorant of the fact that such people will be the first to be made obsolete and laid off, and then will most likely whine and moan and blame AI when they are being laid off.
@iamnmm @datarama @sundogplanets Leopard eating something something.
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
I recently had a bad interaction of this sort and laid it out kinda like "hey it wasn't respectful of what we were doing or what was going on for this tool to be used in the way you did and I would appreciate it if you did not do that with me in the future" and it went well.
Will have to see over time if it has any long-term effects.
Good luck navigating!
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@ravenbait Yeah I will DEFINITELY point out that part. I have to think about how to say it politely so it doesn't just bounce off their brain.
@sundogplanets @ravenbait I wonder if it would be helpful to first point out to your colleague that it was THEIR opinion you were asking for based on their knowledge and expertise and your disappointment in not receiving their input. If you let them know their opinion had value before you point out the harm of their behavior it might help them hear the message.
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@sundogplanets Years later, I'm still reeling from when someone, during an actual face-to-face conversation, took out his phone to ask ChatGPT what to say to me.
My response would "why am I talking to you then? Give me your entire universe of login/auth and I will 'chat with your bot' "
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@sundogplanets Years later, I'm still reeling from when someone, during an actual face-to-face conversation, took out his phone to ask ChatGPT what to say to me.
@datarama I guess we will meet more "meat terminal"s in the future.
Let him marry chatgpt. Will end up fine. @sundogplanets -
I really appreciate all the great advice and suggestions. I'm just... so disappointed and know I have to approach all my interactions with this person differently in the future. I've written up a long email, but I'm realizing that won't work as well as having a conversation with the person. Especially because I'm likely to start crying during the conversation. So. That's going to be FUN.
But maybe it will help one person be less addicted to the forest-burning plagiarism machine? Maybe?
@sundogplanets one of my childhood best friends and I recently had to have this conversation and it was rough and I definitely yelled and cried. I can only imagine how much harder it will be with a colleague where you’re expected to maintain composure.
No advice, just sending some moral support. These tough conversations are how we work to dismantle this mess.
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets I find it so incomprehensible when people do this. If you'd wanted to ask an LLM, you could have done that yourself. It's like asking a colleague a question and getting back a response that's just a link to a Google search or a Wikipedia article (and nothing else). It seems like the implications are insulting, but it's probably more likely just thoughtless.
I have colleagues that have started doing similar things, and I also am struggling to find tactful ways to point out that it's unwelcome. Because it's so obviously foolish, it's hard to think of a way to point it out that doesn't seem insulting.
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
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