I don’t want a new phone.
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@kobold @sticklandtim @akareilly
Really? I had a number of problems since the beginning. Still regular issues with Bluetooth, crashes .... It's the worst phone I've ever owned. Sustainability is the only reason I'm keeping it.@Mr_GHARice @kobold @akareilly
My own experience is positive, Fairphone 4 for over two years. -
I don’t want a new phone. I want my perfectly good hardware to keep getting updates until it actually stops working. I want replaceable batteries that get recycled. If a company stops giving updates I want to be able to change the OS.
@akareilly Too bad that's getting increasingly difficult for mobile devices, unlike PCs where despite MS' best efforts to lock that platform down, you can still nuke Windows.
Like, your PC is too old for Win11? Good thing you can still install Linux or BSD on it and keep using it.
If only mobile devices were like this and that market wasn't effectively rigged by Google for anything that isn't Apple.
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@kobold @sticklandtim @akareilly
Really? I had a number of problems since the beginning. Still regular issues with Bluetooth, crashes .... It's the worst phone I've ever owned. Sustainability is the only reason I'm keeping it.@Mr_GHARice @sticklandtim @akareilly None of these on my FP6 running e/os. I heard of issues with the FP5, but only from hear say.
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@Mr_GHARice @kobold @akareilly
My own experience is positive, Fairphone 4 for over two years.@sticklandtim @kobold @akareilly
I was an early adopter of the Gen 6. Maybe that's the problem.
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I don’t want a new phone. I want my perfectly good hardware to keep getting updates until it actually stops working. I want replaceable batteries that get recycled. If a company stops giving updates I want to be able to change the OS.
@akareilly Do what I just did... Get the Fairphone 6+. User servicea le, replaceable battery, guaranteed software updates till 2033.
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@akareilly Do what I just did... Get the Fairphone 6+. User servicea le, replaceable battery, guaranteed software updates till 2033.
@JaimeC @akareilly I haven't got anything like fairphone 6 money to chuck at a device. I'll likely next pick up an older Pixel and flash it with Graphene or Lineage.
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@Mr_GHARice @sticklandtim @akareilly None of these on my FP6 running e/os. I heard of issues with the FP5, but only from hear say.
@kobold @sticklandtim @akareilly
At the beginning it crashed always using Android Auto. After update to Android 16, it had problems with WiFi. Still regular issues connecting to my Garmin. Helpdesk is a nightmare. -
I don’t want a new phone. I want my perfectly good hardware to keep getting updates until it actually stops working. I want replaceable batteries that get recycled. If a company stops giving updates I want to be able to change the OS.
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the only reason my phone that is over 10 years old doesn’t work is because of the choice to stop updates
It's fine, just pay $400 for something marginally better which you can then use for the exact same things
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I don’t want a new phone. I want my perfectly good hardware to keep getting updates until it actually stops working. I want replaceable batteries that get recycled. If a company stops giving updates I want to be able to change the OS.
Fairphone sounds useful.
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I don’t want a new phone. I want my perfectly good hardware to keep getting updates until it actually stops working. I want replaceable batteries that get recycled. If a company stops giving updates I want to be able to change the OS.
@akareilly I'd also welcome telcos continuing to provide service to phones that could work with 3G or 4G for different bands. My phone hasn't changed and still works as a WiFi device but NZ telcos have stopped service.
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I don’t want a new phone. I want my perfectly good hardware to keep getting updates until it actually stops working. I want replaceable batteries that get recycled. If a company stops giving updates I want to be able to change the OS.
@akareilly yes but what percent of humanity also wants what you want and is willing to pay extra for it?
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I don’t want a new phone. I want my perfectly good hardware to keep getting updates until it actually stops working. I want replaceable batteries that get recycled. If a company stops giving updates I want to be able to change the OS.
@akareilly Yes! And to be able to replace parts and add ports...hmmm I'd like that for computers again, too.
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I don’t want a new phone. I want my perfectly good hardware to keep getting updates until it actually stops working. I want replaceable batteries that get recycled. If a company stops giving updates I want to be able to change the OS.
@akareilly check out GrapheneOS, or Lineage OS which is less secure but has wider hardware compatibility
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I don’t want a new phone. I want my perfectly good hardware to keep getting updates until it actually stops working. I want replaceable batteries that get recycled. If a company stops giving updates I want to be able to change the OS.
While we're at it, can we *please* stop making these stupid distraction rectangles so essential to everyday life that we can't function without them?
I'd love nothing more than to ditch my smartphone and replace it with a dumbphone, a notebook and an mp3 player - my weeks with a broken smartphone were great, barring no messaging friends whilst outside - but too many essential things outside of my control in my life /need/ a smartphone, and I hate that I can't choose what I know makes happier
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I don’t want a new phone. I want my perfectly good hardware to keep getting updates until it actually stops working. I want replaceable batteries that get recycled. If a company stops giving updates I want to be able to change the OS.
@akareilly With #Android, you can often switch to a different ROM. However, if you don't get updates from the original vendor (via original ROM or alternative ROM which uses the vendor patches which require vendor support), you accumulate all unpatched bugs that are below the OS level. Therefore, it's a risk you're taking here although you've switched to an hopefully up to date OS.
Best bet: only buy HW with vendor security support as long as possible. 5-7 years is good. Furthermore, for #privacy and #security reasons I'd recommend using #GrapheneOS right from the start. So you need to choose models that are supported by that.
HTH
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I don’t want a new phone. I want my perfectly good hardware to keep getting updates until it actually stops working. I want replaceable batteries that get recycled. If a company stops giving updates I want to be able to change the OS.
@akareilly I've been buying OnePlus phones for years. And keeping them. I replace Android with LineageOS, which gives me weekly updates for longer than OnePlus does.
They are cheaper, too. Especially because I buy mine used.
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@akareilly I'd also welcome telcos continuing to provide service to phones that could work with 3G or 4G for different bands. My phone hasn't changed and still works as a WiFi device but NZ telcos have stopped service.
@Kay @akareilly older standards were really inefficient with scarce wireless bandwidth why is why those frequencies are being reformed. They were also grossly insecure due to uncorrectable design flaws. There's a reason why Android gives you the option to block 2G and 3G for security.
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@sticklandtim @akareilly Likewise, my Fairphone 3 is still going strong, on its second battery and screen and still getting updates 5 years after I bought it
You both got here before me!
I'm writing this on a #Fairphone 4 that I got in, I think, January 2022. It still gets security updates and still runs well. It's currently on Android 15. I plan to keep using it until either Fairphone can no longer support it or I manage to drop it down a well.
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the only reason my phone that is over 10 years old doesn’t work is because of the choice to stop updates
@akareilly It is absolutely not too much to ask. My phone is eight years old (a OnePlus 6). The last software update was exactly one week ago. It still works great, it's still updated, the battery is a *bit* of a pain to swap but far from impossible. But this is because I jumped through some hoops to choose this phone and to flash it with LineageOS. But if a small open source project with no discernable income stream can manage it, surely any of these corporations could too.
They say the free market gives us choice...but only if that choice means spending more money for less value -- ie, towards greater profitability for the corporations involved!
