For anyone surprised at Moxie Marlinspike pushing an 'AI' thing, remember that the last big thing he pushed was a cryptocurrency integrated in Signal.
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For anyone surprised at Moxie Marlinspike pushing an 'AI' thing, remember that the last big thing he pushed was a cryptocurrency integrated in Signal.
@david_chisnall is AI inherently bad?
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For anyone surprised at Moxie Marlinspike pushing an 'AI' thing, remember that the last big thing he pushed was a cryptocurrency integrated in Signal.
@david_chisnall MobileCoin still the most profoundly trust-damaging thing Signal has done. I hope they remove it from the app someday.
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@knud @pettter @david_chisnall Always being worth zero is technically stable lmao
@jackemled @pettter @david_chisnall
Exactly!
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For anyone surprised at Moxie Marlinspike pushing an 'AI' thing, remember that the last big thing he pushed was a cryptocurrency integrated in Signal.
@david_chisnall
I love how he has considered only one of the externalities of LLM (the privacy part, which should be granted, not optional) and didn't touch any of the other ones like the ecological footprint of its LLM's training and the ethical one (dataset used for the training) -
@david_chisnall is AI inherently bad?
@ErikJonker LLMs - yes.
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@ErikJonker LLMs - yes.
@gytisrepecka @david_chisnall ...then you kill all normal discussion about a widely used technology (and that will not go away) , also many uses are not "plain" LLMs but with additional scaffolding etc
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@pettter @david_chisnall holy shit world's first actually stable cryptocurrency
@jackemled @pettter @david_chisnall Not that stable on a log graph! (Surprisingly stable for most of 2025, I'm not sure why, and note that the grid lines are a factor of 100 apart.)
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@gytisrepecka @david_chisnall ...then you kill all normal discussion about a widely used technology (and that will not go away) , also many uses are not "plain" LLMs but with additional scaffolding etc
It's a pretty good rule of thumb that any technology that calls itself AI has hidden externalities that make it a net negative for society.
Anything that's a net benefit doesn't use such a tainted term in its marketing.
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@gytisrepecka @david_chisnall ...then you kill all normal discussion about a widely used technology (and that will not go away) , also many uses are not "plain" LLMs but with additional scaffolding etc
@ErikJonker @gytisrepecka @david_chisnall did you write that or did you have your CSAM machine crank it out for you
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@gytisrepecka @david_chisnall ...then you kill all normal discussion about a widely used technology (and that will not go away) , also many uses are not "plain" LLMs but with additional scaffolding etc
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@jackemled @pettter @david_chisnall Not that stable on a log graph! (Surprisingly stable for most of 2025, I'm not sure why, and note that the grid lines are a factor of 100 apart.)
@snowfox @jackemled @david_chisnall No trades
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@jackemled @pettter @david_chisnall Not that stable on a log graph! (Surprisingly stable for most of 2025, I'm not sure why, and note that the grid lines are a factor of 100 apart.)
@snowfox @pettter @david_chisnall Logarithmic scaling exaggerates small deviations to make them easier to see. The instability you see here is an illusion, it's just showing you that it is changing slightly.
Despite that, the enormous drop at the beginning of 2025 is still funny.
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@snowfox @pettter @david_chisnall Logarithmic scaling exaggerates small deviations to make them easier to see. The instability you see here is an illusion, it's just showing you that it is changing slightly.
Despite that, the enormous drop at the beginning of 2025 is still funny.
@snowfox @pettter @david_chisnall But if you really think about it, because of how cryptocurrencies depend almost entirely on investor speculation, any perceived stability is the real illusion.
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For anyone surprised at Moxie Marlinspike pushing an 'AI' thing, remember that the last big thing he pushed was a cryptocurrency integrated in Signal.
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For anyone surprised at Moxie Marlinspike pushing an 'AI' thing, remember that the last big thing he pushed was a cryptocurrency integrated in Signal.
@david_chisnall I think the common theme there is privacy.
And we can disagree with those choices, and critique them.
I’m not sure what a post like this is trying to say. Are you arguing that he’s secretly always been a bad person, there’s no difference between him and a tech oligarch, and we know this because of the technologies he has found interesting? I mean he worked on quieter leaf blowers too, how does this fit into your thesis
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@gytisrepecka @david_chisnall ...then you kill all normal discussion about a widely used technology (and that will not go away) , also many uses are not "plain" LLMs but with additional scaffolding etc
@ErikJonker Widely used does not automatically mean it is useful. Also "AI" is completely wrong term here since there is no scientifically accepted test to determine machine intelligence
LLMs is just a subset of supervised Machine Learning. It has nothing to do with intelligence, yet beautifully marketed and therefore rather popular
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@ErikJonker Widely used does not automatically mean it is useful. Also "AI" is completely wrong term here since there is no scientifically accepted test to determine machine intelligence
LLMs is just a subset of supervised Machine Learning. It has nothing to do with intelligence, yet beautifully marketed and therefore rather popular
@gytisrepecka @david_chisnall the term maybe wrong but there are, in my view , useful applications and many people agree, transcribing audio is a good example, translating, image editing etc. Ofcourse it has it's problems and limitations for sure. I am fully aware of those, as a daily user.
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For anyone surprised at Moxie Marlinspike pushing an 'AI' thing, remember that the last big thing he pushed was a cryptocurrency integrated in Signal.
@david_chisnall@infosec.exchange XMPP > Signal
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@david_chisnall@infosec.exchange XMPP > Signal
I cannot be bothered to repeat why I block people who repeat that nonsense, so I’m just going to mute you and you can go and search previous messages.
