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For anyone surprised at Moxie Marlinspike pushing an 'AI' thing, remember that the last big thing he pushed was a cryptocurrency integrated in Signal.

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  • erikjonker@mastodon.socialE erikjonker@mastodon.social

    @gytisrepecka @david_chisnall ...then you kill all normal discussion about a widely used technology (and that will not go away) , also many uses are not "plain" LLMs but with additional scaffolding etc

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    @ErikJonker @gytisrepecka @david_chisnall did you write that or did you have your CSAM machine crank it out for you

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    • erikjonker@mastodon.socialE erikjonker@mastodon.social

      @gytisrepecka @david_chisnall ...then you kill all normal discussion about a widely used technology (and that will not go away) , also many uses are not "plain" LLMs but with additional scaffolding etc

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      #20

      @ErikJonker @gytisrepecka @david_chisnall good.

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      • snowfox@tech.lgbtS snowfox@tech.lgbt

        @jackemled @pettter @david_chisnall Not that stable on a log graph! (Surprisingly stable for most of 2025, I'm not sure why, and note that the grid lines are a factor of 100 apart.)

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        #21

        @snowfox @jackemled @david_chisnall No trades

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        • snowfox@tech.lgbtS snowfox@tech.lgbt

          @jackemled @pettter @david_chisnall Not that stable on a log graph! (Surprisingly stable for most of 2025, I'm not sure why, and note that the grid lines are a factor of 100 apart.)

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          #22

          @snowfox @pettter @david_chisnall Logarithmic scaling exaggerates small deviations to make them easier to see. The instability you see here is an illusion, it's just showing you that it is changing slightly.

          Despite that, the enormous drop at the beginning of 2025 is still funny.

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          • jackemled@furry.engineerJ jackemled@furry.engineer

            @snowfox @pettter @david_chisnall Logarithmic scaling exaggerates small deviations to make them easier to see. The instability you see here is an illusion, it's just showing you that it is changing slightly.

            Despite that, the enormous drop at the beginning of 2025 is still funny.

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            #23

            @snowfox @pettter @david_chisnall But if you really think about it, because of how cryptocurrencies depend almost entirely on investor speculation, any perceived stability is the real illusion.

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            • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

              For anyone surprised at Moxie Marlinspike pushing an 'AI' thing, remember that the last big thing he pushed was a cryptocurrency integrated in Signal.

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              @david_chisnall 😐

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              • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

                For anyone surprised at Moxie Marlinspike pushing an 'AI' thing, remember that the last big thing he pushed was a cryptocurrency integrated in Signal.

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                #25

                @david_chisnall I think the common theme there is privacy.

                And we can disagree with those choices, and critique them.

                I’m not sure what a post like this is trying to say. Are you arguing that he’s secretly always been a bad person, there’s no difference between him and a tech oligarch, and we know this because of the technologies he has found interesting? I mean he worked on quieter leaf blowers too, how does this fit into your thesis

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                • erikjonker@mastodon.socialE erikjonker@mastodon.social

                  @gytisrepecka @david_chisnall ...then you kill all normal discussion about a widely used technology (and that will not go away) , also many uses are not "plain" LLMs but with additional scaffolding etc

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                  #26

                  @ErikJonker Widely used does not automatically mean it is useful. Also "AI" is completely wrong term here since there is no scientifically accepted test to determine machine intelligence

                  LLMs is just a subset of supervised Machine Learning. It has nothing to do with intelligence, yet beautifully marketed and therefore rather popular

                  @david_chisnall

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                  • gytisrepecka@social.gyt.isG gytisrepecka@social.gyt.is

                    @ErikJonker Widely used does not automatically mean it is useful. Also "AI" is completely wrong term here since there is no scientifically accepted test to determine machine intelligence

                    LLMs is just a subset of supervised Machine Learning. It has nothing to do with intelligence, yet beautifully marketed and therefore rather popular

                    @david_chisnall

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                    @gytisrepecka @david_chisnall the term maybe wrong but there are, in my view , useful applications and many people agree, transcribing audio is a good example, translating, image editing etc. Ofcourse it has it's problems and limitations for sure. I am fully aware of those, as a daily user.

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                    • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

                      For anyone surprised at Moxie Marlinspike pushing an 'AI' thing, remember that the last big thing he pushed was a cryptocurrency integrated in Signal.

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                      @david_chisnall@infosec.exchange XMPP > Signal

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                      • kitsunevixi@sakurajima.socialK kitsunevixi@sakurajima.social

                        @david_chisnall@infosec.exchange XMPP > Signal

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                        #29

                        @KitsuneVixi

                        I cannot be bothered to repeat why I block people who repeat that nonsense, so I’m just going to mute you and you can go and search previous messages.

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